1 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:07,840 [Music] 2 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:27,450 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:37,649 --> 00:00:31,529 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:37,659 here's Jean Steinberg hi neighbors first 5 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:40,089 time I remind you that power cast is 6 00:00:44,790 --> 00:00:41,970 brought to you this week by audible.com 7 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:44,800 the internet's leading provider of 8 00:00:49,410 --> 00:00:47,260 audiobooks with more than 85,000 9 00:00:51,149 --> 00:00:49,420 downloadable titles across all types of 10 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:51,159 literature including fiction nonfiction 11 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:54,850 and periodicals for free audio book of 12 00:01:05,340 --> 00:00:55,809 your choice go to 13 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:05,350 audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla and i that 14 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:07,750 we haven't covered too extensively in 15 00:01:11,490 --> 00:01:09,610 previous episodes we get to that at the 16 00:01:14,219 --> 00:01:11,500 moment but of course we're in the 17 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:14,229 sporting season now do you have the NFL 18 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:15,910 games the world series and everything 19 00:01:21,149 --> 00:01:18,580 else and there's a story that came out 20 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:21,159 from the huffington post's believe it or 21 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:23,170 not which by the way is part of AOL now 22 00:01:28,109 --> 00:01:25,720 AOL bought the Huffington Post don't get 23 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:28,119 me started about a o L because I have a 24 00:01:32,639 --> 00:01:30,489 history with them let me just read two 25 00:01:35,249 --> 00:01:32,649 paragraphs for many football fans who 26 00:01:38,279 --> 00:01:35,259 watch the New Orleans Saints rout the 27 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:38,289 Indianapolis Colts on October 23rd the 28 00:01:44,130 --> 00:01:41,020 most unusual thing about the game who 29 00:01:45,660 --> 00:01:44,140 was a lopsided final score of 62 to 7 30 00:01:47,550 --> 00:01:45,670 and retrospect that's got to be 31 00:01:49,529 --> 00:01:47,560 embarrassing to the losing team but I'm 32 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:49,539 not a big sports buff especially 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:52,030 football but for UFO aficionados and 34 00:01:57,719 --> 00:01:55,090 paranormal experts who to tuned in they 35 00:02:00,210 --> 00:01:57,729 may have seen something in the sky that 36 00:02:02,609 --> 00:02:00,220 was even more out of the ordinary than 37 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:02,619 the tossing of more touchdowns versus 38 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:05,860 incompletions as NBC's cameras return 39 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:08,020 from a commercial break and focus on the 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:11,260 historic triples steeped Lewis Cathedral 41 00:02:14,970 --> 00:02:12,970 in the city nicknamed the Big Easy 42 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:14,980 a couple of lit objects seemed the 43 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:17,230 streak across the darkening sky and 44 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:18,970 they've yet to be definitively 45 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:22,090 identified did you hear about this yeah 46 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:24,640 those were two Fanta passes passed by 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:29,080 the missing Peyton Manning you're 48 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:30,610 serious yeah hopefully old Peyton's 49 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:32,980 gonna be able to continue his career I'm 50 00:02:36,059 --> 00:02:34,209 and gosh you know he's got a 51 00:02:37,890 --> 00:02:36,069 degenerative nerve condition in his neck 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:37,900 it's really sad but boy you can sure 53 00:02:41,789 --> 00:02:39,970 tell the team needs him sixty two to 54 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:41,799 seven is that as it was at the score oh 55 00:02:45,869 --> 00:02:44,230 my god oh and like I said I'm not a big 56 00:02:46,619 --> 00:02:45,879 football person but I understand that 57 00:02:48,660 --> 00:02:46,629 now 58 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:48,670 the one thing about this is the UFOs 59 00:02:53,820 --> 00:02:50,890 were rod-shaped it's one of those in 60 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:53,830 rod-shaped UFOs yeah so there appears to 61 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:55,420 be a story about that we'll have to 62 00:03:00,119 --> 00:02:57,489 check the tape on that we've got to see 63 00:03:01,259 --> 00:03:00,129 certainly the photographic experts in 64 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:01,269 our listening audience should take a 65 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:03,730 look but isn't it interesting here this 66 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:06,940 swamp guess we just won't guess I'll 67 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:08,560 drink to that fact I'll drink to 68 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:11,260 anything but I don't even drink but this 69 00:03:14,729 --> 00:03:12,670 is enough to make you want to drink but 70 00:03:17,009 --> 00:03:14,739 seriously as we were saying last week 71 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:17,019 when we're talking about the MUFON 72 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:18,790 report that there are more and more UFO 73 00:03:23,369 --> 00:03:21,400 sightings that August show doubling of 74 00:03:25,710 --> 00:03:23,379 the UFO cases from the previous August 75 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:25,720 that maybe the media is taking the 76 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:28,060 subject more seriously at long last yeah 77 00:03:31,619 --> 00:03:30,400 yeah one could only hope it always 78 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:31,629 happens for a brief period of time 79 00:03:36,539 --> 00:03:34,329 remember also that nothing didn't post 80 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:36,549 is still not quite the mainstream media 81 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:39,250 it's not the New York Times it's not CNN 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:42,130 it's not Fox News it's more of a smaller 83 00:03:46,050 --> 00:03:44,290 kind of service that's interesting that 84 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:46,060 they are actually showing that maybe it 85 00:03:48,930 --> 00:03:47,650 does well you wouldn't you wouldn't know 86 00:03:50,729 --> 00:03:48,940 how did that they were small by the 87 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:50,739 amount of money that AOL paid for him 88 00:03:54,659 --> 00:03:52,690 well that's true that's true but you 89 00:03:57,210 --> 00:03:54,669 have to think here AOL by the way is a 90 00:03:59,789 --> 00:03:57,220 very large news portal they've got one 91 00:04:02,940 --> 00:03:59,799 of the largest sets of eyeballs the 92 00:04:06,569 --> 00:04:02,950 largest audiences online of the various 93 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:06,579 news services so to have a serious story 94 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:09,910 about UFOs and about a UFO film that is 95 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:11,650 very interesting regardless of the 96 00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:13,630 outcome because they're also quoting the 97 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:16,239 mutual UFO network there let's go back 98 00:04:19,529 --> 00:04:17,889 to this very quickly before we get into 99 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:19,539 our main guest when you went to the 100 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:23,669 MUFON convention the West Coast was it 101 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:27,250 sure of the serious UFOs with the 102 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:29,590 wackadoodle stage well it wasn't as bad 103 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:32,410 as I'm sure it's gonna be at some point 104 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:34,810 I think these groups especially the 105 00:04:37,890 --> 00:04:36,610 state group MUFON groups are really 106 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:37,900 attempting to be all things to all 107 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:39,400 people and they're trying to attract a 108 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:42,190 more diverse audience by having 109 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:45,729 astrologers and numerologists and people 110 00:04:48,339 --> 00:04:46,639 that are in there 111 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:48,349 the subjects of do we discuss here on 112 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:50,900 the para cast but not exclusively UFOs 113 00:04:54,670 --> 00:04:53,449 as their extradition statement says they 114 00:04:56,559 --> 00:04:54,680 they're about the scientific 115 00:04:58,179 --> 00:04:56,569 investigation of UFOs and what what is 116 00:04:59,920 --> 00:04:58,189 an astrologer have to do with that I 117 00:05:01,689 --> 00:04:59,930 mean for that matter the whole abduction 118 00:05:03,489 --> 00:05:01,699 in crop circle phenomenon we don't 119 00:05:05,499 --> 00:05:03,499 really have any definitive proof that 120 00:05:07,719 --> 00:05:05,509 they're connected to UFOs so with 121 00:05:09,189 --> 00:05:07,729 abductions though you have to think well 122 00:05:11,890 --> 00:05:09,199 if someone says they're being abducted 123 00:05:14,379 --> 00:05:11,900 by aliens there is that connection maybe 124 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:14,389 it's not a connection but it appears to 125 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:15,020 be on the surface 126 00:05:19,659 --> 00:05:17,840 yeah circumstantially sure but you know 127 00:05:22,059 --> 00:05:19,669 where's the scientific investigation of 128 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:22,069 that except for a few dubious claims of 129 00:05:26,019 --> 00:05:24,650 artifact removals I've never seen with 130 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:26,029 all these artifacts supposedly being 131 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:28,400 removed from people these implants or 132 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:30,289 whatever it's the definitive result 133 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:32,000 scientific results of testing and 134 00:05:35,559 --> 00:05:33,560 determining what these what these 135 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:35,569 objects are besides you know calcified 136 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:37,490 pieces of foreign matter that somehow 137 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:39,560 worked into a foot or behind a you know 138 00:05:45,029 --> 00:05:42,650 in the hand or whatever again I I don't 139 00:05:48,339 --> 00:05:45,039 see a direct length it's been you know 140 00:05:51,339 --> 00:05:48,349 unequivocably linked to UFOs so maybe 141 00:05:53,589 --> 00:05:51,349 I'm getting crusty and more cynical in 142 00:05:55,469 --> 00:05:53,599 my old age but you know I I think 143 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:55,479 getting back to your question no uh 144 00:06:00,850 --> 00:05:58,639 there was an amazing turnout there and 145 00:06:02,559 --> 00:06:00,860 then back in February when we had the 146 00:06:06,010 --> 00:06:02,569 UFO Congress I mean it was standing room 147 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:06,020 only I was sure I was there yeah you 148 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:08,089 know I think that there is an upsurge of 149 00:06:13,029 --> 00:06:10,460 interest in these subjects and you know 150 00:06:15,129 --> 00:06:13,039 it kind of does a a bell curve when you 151 00:06:18,159 --> 00:06:15,139 see an upsurge of interest the media 152 00:06:19,809 --> 00:06:18,169 takes more notice that tends to my 153 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:19,819 guests suggest to people to look up a 154 00:06:24,129 --> 00:06:21,800 little bit more the more you look up the 155 00:06:26,290 --> 00:06:24,139 more you see and and it's it's almost 156 00:06:28,059 --> 00:06:26,300 like a you know a selfie team process 157 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:28,069 and it ebbs and flows I mean when Close 158 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:30,319 Encounters came out we had you know an 159 00:06:34,719 --> 00:06:33,050 upsurge of of sightings for instance so 160 00:06:36,369 --> 00:06:34,729 you know I think the media has something 161 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:36,379 to do with it in terms of popular movies 162 00:06:41,139 --> 00:06:38,449 that come out well the thing is call the 163 00:06:43,899 --> 00:06:41,149 publicity flap I guess where you have 164 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:43,909 coverage of UFO events so people may 165 00:06:49,809 --> 00:06:46,240 look to the skies and see more things or 166 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:49,819 they were holding in the details of 167 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:52,039 their sightings but they see other 168 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:53,599 people reporting those sightings so they 169 00:06:58,209 --> 00:06:56,509 feel more or less constrained rather 170 00:06:59,700 --> 00:06:58,219 than being constrained not to report 171 00:07:01,320 --> 00:06:59,710 them they feel encouraged 172 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:01,330 to talk about them yeah and that makes 173 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:03,580 sense well certainly it's one thing 174 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:05,200 that's happening so we have a publicity 175 00:07:10,970 --> 00:07:08,050 flap and that's why it's so difficult to 176 00:07:13,170 --> 00:07:10,980 gauge the occurrence of UFO activity 177 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:13,180 because as long as there's an unknown 178 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:14,530 number of people out there who will 179 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:17,230 never report their sightings we have no 180 00:07:23,130 --> 00:07:19,740 way of knowing how many that really are 181 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:23,140 exactly I've often heard the figure one 182 00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:24,820 out of ten sightings are reported 183 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:27,400 bannered about but you know we we really 184 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:29,500 don't know and it's it's interesting 185 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:32,290 when like for instance Peter Davenport I 186 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:34,660 love this he I don't think he'd ever 187 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:36,520 seen a UFO before to my knowledge in DES 188 00:07:39,930 --> 00:07:37,810 all of a sudden even the head of the 189 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:39,940 national UFO Reporting Center is 190 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:42,820 reporting a UFO so maybe maybe we are in 191 00:07:45,870 --> 00:07:44,140 the midst of a little mini flap and 192 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:45,880 we're not even you know we're not aware 193 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:48,280 of it maybe the UFO knots are trying to 194 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:50,350 catch us up you know saying hey while 195 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:52,720 these UFO researchers are running around 196 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:54,940 saying they never saw anything we're 197 00:07:59,790 --> 00:07:57,850 gonna change that you never know you 198 00:08:02,910 --> 00:07:59,800 know one subject that we haven't covered 199 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:02,920 as much as maybe you expect on the show 200 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:05,950 is ancient astronauts we've had a few 201 00:08:10,260 --> 00:08:08,350 shows about it we tried early on to 202 00:08:13,290 --> 00:08:10,270 bring on an ancient astronaut expert I 203 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:13,300 remember back in the old days 2006-2007 204 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:15,070 of the power cast you think five years 205 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:17,650 ago as the old days well we invited a 206 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:21,010 guy named Jason Martel is it and he 207 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:23,440 disappeared we were ready to record when 208 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:25,780 he disappeared so what happened to him I 209 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:28,180 don't know he just never responded we 210 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:29,950 were ready to talk to him on skype we 211 00:08:34,620 --> 00:08:31,980 had a Skype name and everything and 212 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:34,630 never showed up never responded to email 213 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:37,090 of course maybe it was because the power 214 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:39,880 cast had a reputation that is now that 215 00:08:44,150 --> 00:08:42,370 we're not going to just give guests a 216 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:44,160 pass we're going to ask hard questions 217 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:48,160 we'll bring on people that other shows 218 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:50,950 will interview and just sort of softball 219 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:52,720 the questions and we'll ask them things 220 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:55,060 they didn't expect to be asked and we'll 221 00:09:01,530 --> 00:08:58,810 sit back and wait for the answers yes 222 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:01,540 I'm swaying our own so my trick no 223 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:02,980 that's not my took the boys that's my 224 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:07,900 demonic voice the shadow knows yes well 225 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:10,700 we have coming to us from 226 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:14,030 his residence in the UK Philip Coppins 227 00:09:19,150 --> 00:09:16,070 and the book is called easy actually I 228 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:19,160 think he's in Belgium is boy he's in the 229 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:23,270 UK now okay alright but he has a book 230 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:25,610 I'll call the ancient alien question and 231 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:28,030 Erich von däniken wrote the introduction 232 00:09:37,870 --> 00:09:32,150 yep so I see the ancient alien in the in 233 00:09:39,730 --> 00:09:37,880 the title boy that's a hot buzz term 234 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:39,740 here lately in the United States so 235 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:42,560 pretty smart titling and one more thing 236 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:44,090 if you have a comment or a question 237 00:09:48,850 --> 00:09:48,020 write us news at the para cast comm once 238 00:09:52,330 --> 00:09:48,860 again neighbors 239 00:09:57,050 --> 00:09:52,340 that's news at the para cast 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00:14:48,619 the desert the California desert in 1952 353 00:14:53,019 --> 00:14:50,449 for the first part from dazzling Leslie 354 00:14:55,809 --> 00:14:53,029 was about ancient astronauts and then 355 00:14:58,479 --> 00:14:55,819 later on there was a series of articles 356 00:15:00,879 --> 00:14:58,489 called extraterrestrial ism as an 357 00:15:04,029 --> 00:15:00,889 historical doctrine by someone named 358 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:04,039 jana fourtner also in the 1950s talking 359 00:15:08,829 --> 00:15:06,529 about legends of ET in ancient times 360 00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:08,839 Philip did you ever hear of either of 361 00:15:13,899 --> 00:15:11,389 those people Yona Fortner or Desmond 362 00:15:15,699 --> 00:15:13,909 Leslie well actually the first one you 363 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:15,709 know Fortner I haven't but that's been 364 00:15:20,579 --> 00:15:18,649 classically yes I am very familiar with 365 00:15:22,569 --> 00:15:20,589 him as well as of course George Adamski 366 00:15:24,579 --> 00:15:22,579 okay let's kind of start with your 367 00:15:26,619 --> 00:15:24,589 background are you basically a writer 368 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,629 researcher how'd you get attracted to 369 00:15:30,219 --> 00:15:28,399 exploring these mysteries I'm a 370 00:15:31,929 --> 00:15:30,229 background of an investigative 371 00:15:35,739 --> 00:15:31,939 journalist and most of what I did 372 00:15:38,169 --> 00:15:35,749 involved really hard political quite 373 00:15:40,569 --> 00:15:38,179 often intelligence agencies kind of 374 00:15:42,459 --> 00:15:40,579 bring stories to the world which you 375 00:15:44,259 --> 00:15:42,469 wouldn't find without doing some 376 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:44,269 investigation that's why they're called 377 00:15:50,169 --> 00:15:46,399 investigative journalists I guess in the 378 00:15:52,239 --> 00:15:50,179 early 1990s I came across a story which 379 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:52,249 I wanted to dig deeper because I felt 380 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:54,169 that there was more of a story there and 381 00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:55,040 basically this 382 00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,120 and he run up to the Kennedy 383 00:16:00,759 --> 00:15:58,639 assassination 30th anniversary and the 384 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:00,769 story involved Lee Harvey Oswald the 385 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:02,480 alleged assassin of Kennedy Lee Harvey 386 00:16:08,139 --> 00:16:06,230 Oswald and he had come from Russia a few 387 00:16:09,999 --> 00:16:08,149 years before and while he was in 388 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,009 Rotterdam waiting to to go to New York 389 00:16:15,249 --> 00:16:12,560 there were certain incidents there which 390 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:15,259 I felt needed to be some more digging 391 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:17,029 and in the end actually some of that 392 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,130 material which I dug up was used in a 393 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:21,680 congressional committee to question 394 00:16:24,910 --> 00:16:22,670 whether or not they should reopen 395 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:24,920 another investigation did the Kennedy 396 00:16:27,970 --> 00:16:26,690 assassination and at that moment in time 397 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:27,980 there were still things like news 398 00:16:31,629 --> 00:16:29,870 clipping services and one of the news 399 00:16:34,059 --> 00:16:31,639 clipping services which were coming in 400 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:34,069 involved the story or the claim of a guy 401 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:36,740 called bill Cooper who basically said 402 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:39,560 that Kennedy's limo driver in Dallas had 403 00:16:45,069 --> 00:16:41,569 turned around had shot Kennedy in the 404 00:16:46,930 --> 00:16:45,079 face with a gun then turn around again 405 00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:46,940 continued driving and the reason why 406 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:48,800 this had happened was because Kennedy 407 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:51,940 was about to spill the beans on the 408 00:16:57,340 --> 00:16:55,310 existence of extraterrestrials on planet 409 00:16:59,379 --> 00:16:57,350 earth and things like Roswell and 410 00:17:01,449 --> 00:16:59,389 various other things obviously knew I'd 411 00:17:03,939 --> 00:17:01,459 heard of UFOs but I would by no stretch 412 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:03,949 of the imagination call myself to be an 413 00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,929 expert let alone knowledgeable so I 414 00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:08,240 began to delve into that library books 415 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:09,829 which we were available and one of the 416 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:11,809 first ones was actually Billy Meyer and 417 00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,569 his story so I kind of began to look 418 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:16,400 into that realized that there wasn't 419 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:18,530 really too much going for these stories 420 00:17:22,899 --> 00:17:21,350 but I certainly think that Cooper is 421 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:22,909 something largely dismissed oh 422 00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:25,760 absolutely I mean the story that somehow 423 00:17:30,669 --> 00:17:27,620 the limo driver was able to turn himself 424 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:30,679 around - to shoot Kennedy was absolutely 425 00:17:34,450 --> 00:17:32,510 impossible and don't get us started 426 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:34,460 about Billy Meyer please well actually 427 00:17:39,940 --> 00:17:37,940 maybe I would but you know in the time 428 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:39,950 which came there I basically was asked 429 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:42,230 by a publisher to stop being an 430 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:43,940 investigative journalist and come and 431 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:45,620 work for them and amongst the several 432 00:17:49,299 --> 00:17:47,630 books they did were - which they wanted 433 00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,309 my help on with promotion to the English 434 00:17:53,890 --> 00:17:51,919 language and one of them involved the 435 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:53,900 magnetic civilization and the second one 436 00:17:55,659 --> 00:17:55,040 was to become the mystery of 437 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:55,669 rennes-le-chateau 438 00:17:59,919 --> 00:17:58,190 that I was I was digging into those 439 00:18:02,860 --> 00:17:59,929 delving into those studying about 440 00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:02,870 ancient civilizations basically to cut a 441 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:04,940 long story short less than two years 442 00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:08,450 later I became the founding member 443 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:10,760 founding director editor-in-chief of a 444 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:13,130 Dutch newsstand magazine called frontier 445 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,750 magazine at that moment in time we call 446 00:18:20,170 --> 00:18:17,360 this frontier 2000 which was all about 447 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:20,180 an esoteric alternative history and 448 00:18:24,490 --> 00:18:22,970 topics UFOs crop circles all of those 449 00:18:26,380 --> 00:18:24,500 things even though I'm no longer 450 00:18:29,410 --> 00:18:26,390 directly involved with the magazine I'm 451 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:29,420 very proud at a few months ago we 452 00:18:35,470 --> 00:18:32,570 actually celebrated our 100 so that in a 453 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:35,480 somewhat long story is a almost 20 year 454 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:38,330 long adventure in the alternative okay 455 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:40,280 let's talk about the adventure of the 456 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:42,980 ancient astronauts how did you begin to 457 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:45,050 cover this did you check the books did 458 00:18:49,210 --> 00:18:47,090 you do some on-site research what did 459 00:18:52,030 --> 00:18:49,220 you do the very first exposure was 460 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:52,040 actually to again to what I was doing 461 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:54,260 and it was a story of a German tour 462 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:56,810 operator hardly hausdorff who had 463 00:19:01,600 --> 00:18:59,090 identified who had proven that they were 464 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,610 indeed pyramids in China there had been 465 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:04,400 rumors about but nobody had really come 466 00:19:10,110 --> 00:19:07,730 up with with real evidence and in 1994 467 00:19:12,910 --> 00:19:10,120 the Soviet bloc had had basically just 468 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:12,920 crumbled he had been allowed access you 469 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:15,010 go into China and and he basically 470 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:17,330 reported on the fact that he had seen 471 00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:19,040 the Chinese pyramids themselves and he 472 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,080 had taken photographs and he had spoken 473 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:23,120 to people who had been involved with his 474 00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:25,610 scientific research he was publishing in 475 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,800 German and I wanted him to help get this 476 00:19:33,820 --> 00:19:30,320 story out in English and so this was 477 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:33,830 pretty much what I was doing and in fact 478 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:37,040 once frontier became a publisher one of 479 00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:39,080 my mission statements has always been to 480 00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:41,030 help people who are either challenged 481 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:43,070 through no fault of their own but 482 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:44,450 sometimes simply through a language 483 00:19:48,910 --> 00:19:46,250 barrier to get the message out to a 484 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:48,920 larger audience so early on it was very 485 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:51,320 much just reporting and basically you 486 00:19:55,090 --> 00:19:52,700 know fact-checking that what they were 487 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,100 reporting was accurate telling me like 488 00:19:59,170 --> 00:19:56,960 certain things reporting on stories 489 00:20:01,330 --> 00:19:59,180 which were out there and then it's like 490 00:20:03,850 --> 00:20:01,340 one day probably without realizing it 491 00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:03,860 you also become an investigator you you 492 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:06,560 go off on subjects which you feel nobody 493 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:08,090 else is looking into and you're 494 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:10,370 beginning to do your own research you 495 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,260 know as I've always been would consider 496 00:20:17,170 --> 00:20:15,200 myself to be still an investigative 497 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,180 journalist that is still something which 498 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:19,280 which I do today I just I'm confronted 499 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:21,710 with things and investigate them now as 500 00:20:25,539 --> 00:20:24,110 VESA gave journalists to whom did you 501 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:25,549 send your stories where were you 502 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:27,529 published originally they were published 503 00:20:34,299 --> 00:20:30,890 obviously in my own Dutch magazine Naxos 504 00:20:37,149 --> 00:20:34,309 has always been a very early supporter 505 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,159 of mine and you know in the decades now 506 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:38,960 since since I have been doing this I've 507 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:40,370 pretty much done I think been published 508 00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:42,529 in every single magazine or type of 509 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:45,080 publication there is new dawn comes to 510 00:20:50,130 --> 00:20:47,590 mind Atlantis rising Nexus comes to mind 511 00:20:53,169 --> 00:20:50,140 fourteen times I have her articles in 512 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:53,179 Italian magazines to some extent these 513 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:55,640 days I quite often find myself being 514 00:21:00,130 --> 00:20:58,490 translated in in magazines or on 515 00:21:02,919 --> 00:21:00,140 websites and have absolutely no 516 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,929 knowledge of them ever asking me to run 517 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:05,600 a translation of an article but yes it 518 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:09,200 has definitely been a quite a wide range 519 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:11,210 of publications which have taken my 520 00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:13,610 articles since what attracted you to the 521 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:16,760 subject of possible et visitations that 522 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:17,990 you ever seen UFO 523 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:22,370 I have never seen a UFO and maybe that's 524 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:26,330 an attraction in itself but basically it 525 00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:29,570 was the fact that there you know when I 526 00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:32,120 started looking into the library's 527 00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:33,980 trying to find out trying to find 528 00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:36,799 evidence and trying to find books on 529 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:40,520 certain things the books of fund anak 530 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:42,740 and the books of other people were 531 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:45,770 always there and we're always consult 532 00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,010 abou and what I recognized in the work 533 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:51,679 of von Daniken was even though he 534 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:53,929 doesn't have the background of an 535 00:21:58,570 --> 00:21:56,330 investigative journalist his books are 536 00:22:00,909 --> 00:21:58,580 very much written from the perspective 537 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:00,919 of an investigative journalist people 538 00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:02,510 always say that from Daniken comes with 539 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:04,760 theories but that's not the case 540 00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:07,190 you know Ron Garan can analyze a certain 541 00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:08,750 bits of evidence and thence asks 542 00:22:14,139 --> 00:22:11,480 questions and sometimes we'll say okay 543 00:22:15,820 --> 00:22:14,149 this is in my opinion evidence of of an 544 00:22:17,529 --> 00:22:15,830 alien visitation but he will never go 545 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,539 into details as to connect say how he 546 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:20,240 lived there when exactly he came from 547 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eight eight eight nine eight 660 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:50,669 eight three three to five or visit one 661 00:27:00,550 --> 00:26:53,250 world wacom that's one world 662 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:04,340 hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned 663 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:07,530 in to the para CASP let me tell you what 664 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:09,750 you're gonna hear stuff here 665 00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:12,690 that you probably won't hear anywhere 666 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:15,300 else hear that George Noory 667 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:19,650 with Phillip Coppins we are exploring 18 668 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:23,010 not necessarily today but a long long 669 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,220 time ago in the same galaxy in the same 670 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:29,340 reality we've seen these books specially 671 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:31,410 von daniken he wrote the foreword to 672 00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,290 your book so obviously you do accept 673 00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,000 what he does but let's look at the 674 00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:37,980 research did you go back to try to look 675 00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:40,620 at the raw research to see where they 676 00:27:47,150 --> 00:27:44,280 were coming from yes my book is not so 677 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:47,160 much just all connect you know trying to 678 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:49,380 get all the evidence which ever anybody 679 00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:53,370 has written on anything I go for trying 680 00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:56,460 to make a case for the fact that we have 681 00:28:01,670 --> 00:27:59,640 been visited and the possibility that we 682 00:28:06,530 --> 00:28:01,680 have been visited and and creating a 683 00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:06,540 framework for this so it's it's not an 684 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:08,550 encyclopedic work nor could it ever be 685 00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:11,070 in an Sinkler Pedic work but i did look 686 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:13,950 at the best available evidence and I 687 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:16,380 also obviously brought in some of my own 688 00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:17,880 research which I have done over the 689 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:19,830 years some of it which has been 690 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:21,660 published some of it which hasn't and 691 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:25,800 basically show that sometimes people are 692 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,870 right and sometimes people are wrong and 693 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:30,330 sometimes people have gotten half right 694 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:32,910 and half wrong some of the things which 695 00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:35,940 people will swear by I I will not swear 696 00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:37,920 by some of the things which other people 697 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,280 have rejected I actually felt that I had 698 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:42,960 to resurrect and one of the things which 699 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:45,690 I feel and people have discarded way too 700 00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:47,910 quickly is the story of the Chinese 701 00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,240 Roswell in short this is a story which 702 00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,600 came about people think around the 1980s 703 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:56,340 when people were reporting on the 704 00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,650 so-called Stone discs of bian kara Allah 705 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:01,020 will explain what that means in more 706 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,150 detail yes the Stone disk of by Ankara 707 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:05,760 Allah is the story about stone discs 708 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:08,310 which have been found in a remote part 709 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:10,210 of China 710 00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:12,190 the story goes that they were discovered 711 00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:16,120 in the 1910s or the 1920s by people 712 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:18,309 basically on an expedition there and 713 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:22,120 that in 1962 a Chinese professor was 714 00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:24,760 able to decode inscriptions on these 715 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:26,830 discs and that these inscriptions 716 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,620 basically said that the people who were 717 00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:31,840 lying next the the corpses of the people 718 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:34,120 who were lying next or the bones the 719 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:35,650 fragments of bones of the people who 720 00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:37,450 were lying next to these discs were 721 00:29:42,779 --> 00:29:40,120 people who had in the very remote past 722 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:42,789 crashed on planet Earth in a spacecraft 723 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:45,460 that to such crashes had occurred over a 724 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:48,520 number of thousands of years and that at 725 00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:50,830 least in one instance the survivors of 726 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:54,640 this crash began to intermingle with the 727 00:29:59,899 --> 00:29:57,010 local people why I say that this story 728 00:30:02,700 --> 00:29:59,909 has been removed tooth too quickly from 729 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:02,710 evidence of potential ancient alien 730 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:06,340 visitation is that in 1978 a book 731 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,020 appeared which was called Sun God's in 732 00:30:13,380 --> 00:30:10,860 exile and the person writing it 733 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,390 pretended as if this story as if his 734 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:15,520 book was nonfiction and a number of 735 00:30:18,899 --> 00:30:17,140 years later he said well you know I 736 00:30:22,740 --> 00:30:18,909 pretended it wasn't fiction but it is 737 00:30:24,659 --> 00:30:22,750 fiction and this story talks about this 738 00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:24,669 exploration about the Stone discs of 739 00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:26,740 bian kara Allah and so you have people 740 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:28,899 who say well you see you know like oh we 741 00:30:33,389 --> 00:30:30,760 were 50 we were taking and it's now all 742 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:33,399 been discredited well that is absolutely 743 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,110 simply not the case 744 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:38,080 the earliest references to this story in 745 00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:41,260 the Western media go back to 1962 there 746 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:43,270 is you know evidence of newspaper 747 00:30:47,899 --> 00:30:45,190 clippings from Germany that his story 748 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:47,909 appeared in the German press in 1962 and 749 00:30:52,169 --> 00:30:50,020 probably the reason why it appeared in 750 00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:52,179 1962 is because the story goes that in 751 00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:55,360 China in 1962 somebody made this 752 00:31:01,649 --> 00:30:58,270 discovery now all of this work is done 753 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,659 by amateur archaeologists amateur 754 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:04,000 historians because scientists have said 755 00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:06,010 that they know just as with your 756 00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:07,270 focusing and so many other things 757 00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:10,299 including life after death or you know 758 00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:12,580 name it that there is no evidence 759 00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:15,549 whatsoever that these things can be true 760 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:18,940 because they just know and so no 761 00:31:24,019 --> 00:31:21,730 scientist has has really had the time or 762 00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,029 the effort or taken the effort to go 763 00:31:29,719 --> 00:31:27,059 to China and and discover more but we 764 00:31:30,919 --> 00:31:29,729 know that it is not a hoax dating from 765 00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:30,929 1978 766 00:31:36,739 --> 00:31:33,299 there were newspaper reports everywhere 767 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:36,749 in 1962 saying that you know this 768 00:31:41,539 --> 00:31:38,340 decipherment had occurred now could it 769 00:31:44,629 --> 00:31:41,549 be Chinese propaganda maybe but there 770 00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:44,639 were newspaper reports in 1962 now the 771 00:31:49,369 --> 00:31:46,950 possibility if not the likelihood that 772 00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,379 this isn't Chinese propaganda is what 773 00:31:54,709 --> 00:31:51,919 happened in relatively recent times in 774 00:31:57,499 --> 00:31:54,719 1997 the Chinese government wanted to 775 00:31:59,779 --> 00:31:57,509 have a census because at this moment in 776 00:32:02,029 --> 00:31:59,789 time there are 1.3 billion Chinese I do 777 00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,039 not know how many there were a decade 778 00:32:05,869 --> 00:32:04,080 ago but there were an awful lot and the 779 00:32:07,999 --> 00:32:05,879 Chinese government wanted to know how 780 00:32:09,979 --> 00:32:08,009 many precisely and how they they were 781 00:32:11,959 --> 00:32:09,989 structured in groups and tribes and 782 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:11,969 where they were living and so one day 783 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:15,450 they come across a tribe which to them 784 00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:19,469 forms an enigma they are very thick 785 00:32:26,299 --> 00:32:22,679 skulls they have pretty much deeply 786 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:26,309 inset eyes and they look weird and so 787 00:32:30,619 --> 00:32:28,710 the scientists tried to explain this and 788 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:30,629 they basically say that they think that 789 00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:33,089 they look so weird because of that 790 00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:34,919 poisoning or some other kind of thing 791 00:32:39,829 --> 00:32:38,009 and internally these conclusions are 792 00:32:41,539 --> 00:32:39,839 contested because basically led 793 00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:41,549 poisoning kills it doesn't cause a 794 00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:45,059 genetic mutation and so the Chinese 795 00:32:48,709 --> 00:32:46,950 scientists in charge of this 796 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,719 investigation have to conclude that they 797 00:32:52,779 --> 00:32:51,210 have no known origins as to why these 798 00:32:55,639 --> 00:32:52,789 people would look so weird 799 00:32:57,379 --> 00:32:55,649 well guess why these people have been 800 00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:57,389 found these people have been found in 801 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:00,210 the very region where the stone discs of 802 00:33:05,419 --> 00:33:01,710 Buyan Kerala were found 803 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:05,429 we know that people in the past you know 804 00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:07,729 were believed to have been intermarried 805 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,190 with these creatures from elsewhere and 806 00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:13,919 so that we find in that very region 807 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:18,059 bizarre-looking creatures actually adds 808 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:21,210 activated now once again we need to have 809 00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:22,769 scientists who are willing to look at 810 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:24,929 this because the area we're in right now 811 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,330 involves DNA research and all of these 812 00:33:31,729 --> 00:33:29,700 things are simply incapable of being 813 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:31,739 done without the help of science let me 814 00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,330 ask you first question Phillip before we 815 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:36,179 go on have you actually tried to make an 816 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:37,270 effort to 817 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:39,610 go to these places on site directly to 818 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:42,700 see what's going on the person who is 819 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,230 trying to do that at this moment in time 820 00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:46,260 is a guy called Hardwick hausdorff and 821 00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:48,520 basically he has a track record of 822 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,500 trying to get far more than with the 823 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:52,500 Chinese authorities and I've ever will 824 00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:55,630 15 years into trying he has still not 825 00:34:01,680 --> 00:33:59,290 gotten the proper authorization forms to 826 00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:01,690 go there they don't want to allow this 827 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:05,020 as OSS with so many things you know the 828 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,180 first question will look like the first 829 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:10,000 question is why do you want to speak to 830 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:13,390 these people you either lie or you tell 831 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:14,950 the truth and when you tell the truth as 832 00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:16,090 to why you want to speak to these people 833 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:17,470 guess what 834 00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:19,300 authorities are less inclined to give 835 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:21,399 you pyramids because they know trouble 836 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:23,890 will come by default these questions 837 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:25,870 will lead to trouble one thing I want to 838 00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:28,780 mention is the fairly obscure photograph 839 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:31,990 that I've seen just in a couple of 840 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:36,070 places of to what appear to be alien 841 00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:37,870 looking humans that are said to be the 842 00:34:44,630 --> 00:34:41,429 last real remaining I think full-blood 843 00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:44,640 versions of these these supposed 844 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:48,390 visitors that were shipwrecked in China 845 00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:51,310 several thousand years ago are you 846 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:52,840 familiar with that photograph they're 847 00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,790 sitting it's a male and female sitting 848 00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:56,800 in side-by-side and you know if they're 849 00:35:02,640 --> 00:34:58,930 you know five feet tall I'd be really 850 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:02,650 surprised very very short sorry the 851 00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:04,510 photograph is reduced in my book yeah 852 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,550 yeah and I wanted to mention that that 853 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:09,280 it's it's a pretty rare photograph but 854 00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:12,310 just looking at those two individuals it 855 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:16,300 kind of makes you wonder absolutely in 856 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:17,650 my book and it's one of those things 857 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:21,520 whereby it becomes clear that's 858 00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:23,380 something quite interesting is going on 859 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:25,870 here again this isn't speculation these 860 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:29,290 people clearly look weird the reason why 861 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,150 they look weird is there has to be an 862 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:33,520 explanation for this now you know you 863 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:35,260 might say that there are more mundane 864 00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:37,570 reasons as to why this might be the case 865 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,880 and maybe one day we will indeed find 866 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:41,920 out that this is the case but we need to 867 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:44,230 explore and right now the best available 868 00:35:48,270 --> 00:35:46,450 evidence to suggest that we should take 869 00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:48,280 them from their word which is that they 870 00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:51,070 are saying that they are from basic 871 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:54,430 the mixed alien Bloods so unless we can 872 00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:56,890 the honest science can disprove that to 873 00:36:01,200 --> 00:35:59,740 me in all logic this this is what we 874 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,210 should be going for these model you can 875 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:03,400 make a DNA test though the ten determine 876 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:03,790 that 877 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:05,740 well yes but again this is this is 878 00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:08,710 requiring science to cooperate well 879 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:10,780 that's always a big deal isn't that also 880 00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:13,780 the biggest issue with regard to mailing 881 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:16,660 these theories and mysteries down is to 882 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:18,910 getting traditional science to do the 883 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,010 real research not just dismiss it out of 884 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:23,440 hand do the research as I said do the 885 00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,570 DNA test see if there's something there 886 00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:28,240 that indicates there's something unknown 887 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:30,910 about this we have philip coffins the 888 00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:33,550 book is the ancient alien question if 889 00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:35,560 you have a comment or a question write 890 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:38,680 us news at the power cast comm once 891 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:40,930 again neighbors that's news at the para 892 00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:43,930 cast calm we'll have lots more with gene 893 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:57,380 are you tired of searching for great 894 00:37:02,089 --> 00:36:58,440 talk-radio 895 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:02,099 more important searching over we are the 896 00:37:08,359 --> 00:37:05,640 GCM radio 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you are listening to the paragraph 994 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:12,880 Philip Coppins is our guest ancient 995 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,070 astronauts on the table with Jeanne and 996 00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:17,440 Chris and the podcast and we're 997 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:21,070 exploring how to take these mysteries 998 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:22,930 these legends and see what's going on 999 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:25,270 and as you've seen the question I raised 1000 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:27,670 before we retreated for a couple of 1001 00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:30,850 seconds there how do we get mainstream 1002 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:33,400 science to do the DNA testing and all 1003 00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:35,590 the other stuff to prove whether this is 1004 00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:38,500 the case that ancient astronauts came 1005 00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:40,870 here whether they interbreed with 1006 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:44,140 Earthlings etc it's a big question and 1007 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:46,540 you know I don't think it has an it has 1008 00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:49,630 an easy answer the reluctance of science 1009 00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:53,080 to engage in anything again whether it 1010 00:41:59,850 --> 00:41:56,500 is evidence of of near-death experiences 1011 00:42:01,110 --> 00:41:59,860 whether it are anomalous archaeological 1012 00:42:04,110 --> 00:42:01,120 finds which have nothing to do with 1013 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:04,120 ancient aliens but just with maybe lost 1014 00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,730 civilizations or unknown dimensions of a 1015 00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,040 known civilization all of these things 1016 00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:11,680 science isn't willing to address in the 1017 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:13,390 case when it comes to near-death 1018 00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:15,640 experiences they pretend that it's not 1019 00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:17,080 their bailiwick that this is not 1020 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:20,230 something science should be doing the 1021 00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:21,790 question is you know whose bailiwick is 1022 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:24,880 it then and again when it comes to 1023 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:27,310 archaeology archaeologists basically say 1024 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:29,050 that they know that this is impossible 1025 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:31,690 so they don't feel a need to do this and 1026 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:35,530 right now there is nobody out there who 1027 00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:37,960 is in essence able to tell them that 1028 00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:40,270 they have to do this however what I do 1029 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:43,300 think is happening and to some extent 1030 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:44,620 you know the popularity of ancient 1031 00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:46,900 aliens is is showing this is that people 1032 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:49,180 are beginning to realize that science is 1033 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:51,130 unwilling to address certain things and 1034 00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:53,290 also that there is a populist or a 1035 00:42:57,540 --> 00:42:55,720 popular movement of people who are 1036 00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,550 basically I think the not too distant 1037 00:43:01,650 --> 00:42:59,680 future are going to demand from 1038 00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:01,660 scientists and that if they are 1039 00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:03,700 continuing to get our money then that 1040 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:05,560 this should also be trying to answer 1041 00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:08,410 questions which we the people want to 1042 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:10,870 see answered because in in this day and 1043 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:14,569 age so much attention is being given to 1044 00:43:21,069 --> 00:43:18,680 Wall Street to politicians but academics 1045 00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:21,079 are getting off lightly and all the ills 1046 00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:26,150 of Wall Street and of politics are also 1047 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:30,260 apparent and present in science so far 1048 00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:32,270 it's not risen to the surface and it's 1049 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:35,180 not displayed on on front pages only 1050 00:43:39,569 --> 00:43:37,490 when it has clear political implications 1051 00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:39,579 like global warming and climate 1052 00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:41,630 scientists do you find that the 1053 00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,510 controversy and some of the the ills and 1054 00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:47,119 the worlds of science do make it to the 1055 00:43:51,579 --> 00:43:49,940 front page news Climategate which struck 1056 00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,589 the UK a few years ago is probably the 1057 00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,599 best example of this but apart from 1058 00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:56,960 those areas of science they are getting 1059 00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,839 an extremely easy right and I think this 1060 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:01,280 is going to change I think they're going 1061 00:44:06,579 --> 00:44:03,530 to be held more accountable specifically 1062 00:44:08,589 --> 00:44:06,589 if they are thinking of getting public 1063 00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:08,599 money to to basically do their research 1064 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:10,520 well you bring up a really good point 1065 00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,290 Phillip and I am before we get too far 1066 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:15,440 away from the drones in China here's 1067 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:18,319 here's a classic example of science kind 1068 00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,270 of muddy in the waters and kind of 1069 00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:22,880 sticking there there something in orders 1070 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:25,190 to stop progress one of the things that 1071 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:26,930 I remember reading some time back and I 1072 00:44:30,490 --> 00:44:28,490 I don't think you really address it in 1073 00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:30,500 your book is the is the actual 1074 00:44:34,990 --> 00:44:33,140 whereabouts of these stones at some 1075 00:44:36,789 --> 00:44:35,000 point I think in the early sixties well 1076 00:44:38,890 --> 00:44:36,799 I think was in the 30s and then the 60s 1077 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:38,900 weren't they they're like giant records 1078 00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:40,430 and they were trying to decipher them 1079 00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:42,859 now to my understanding didn't the 1080 00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:44,299 Russians actually end up with those 1081 00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:46,280 stones or they back in the possession of 1082 00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,030 the Chinese well the the buy discs which 1083 00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:53,839 the Chinese professor analyzed we don't 1084 00:45:03,430 --> 00:44:58,190 know where they were precisely in 1974 1085 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:03,440 it might have been 1972 a German tourist 1086 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:06,770 photographed to buy discs in a museum in 1087 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:09,710 China and he was told by his guides that 1088 00:45:15,339 --> 00:45:12,200 these were the very buy discs involved 1089 00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:15,349 with the saga of buy Ankara eula now 1090 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,200 this is unknown whether the guide was 1091 00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:20,960 right or not what house or was able to 1092 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:23,900 show in the 1990s that these buy discs 1093 00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,130 had been taken from public exhibition 1094 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:29,320 and we're now somewhere in the back of 1095 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:31,770 the museum and when he asked to see them 1096 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:34,210 basically it took a while and he has not 1097 00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:38,650 been able to photograph them so there is 1098 00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:40,360 some confusion as to where the original 1099 00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:44,350 buy discs are buy discs as such are very 1100 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:47,080 common pretty much everybody in China 1101 00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:49,660 was buried with these by with buy discs 1102 00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:52,240 the the specific nature of these by 1103 00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:54,100 discs you know which which form part of 1104 00:45:59,850 --> 00:45:57,220 the buying perilous saga is that these 1105 00:46:03,630 --> 00:45:59,860 buys discs contained inscriptions which 1106 00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:03,640 nobody could analyze or translate until 1107 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:06,790 the 1960s when somebody did manage to 1108 00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:09,550 apparently do so and when he did so I 1109 00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:11,740 came up with this story about how they 1110 00:46:16,410 --> 00:46:13,270 showed that the people who were there 1111 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:16,420 were of mixed extraterrestrial origin 1112 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:18,940 yeah well again you know science has an 1113 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:22,330 obligation I think to humanity to come 1114 00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:24,280 up with some definitive answers and of 1115 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:29,460 course until we get public a public 1116 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,230 upwelling of support for this type of 1117 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:34,930 process they're just gonna continue play 1118 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:38,020 you know keeping it in the closet and if 1119 00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:39,910 they avert their eyes it doesn't exist 1120 00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:42,220 sort of you know the ostrich and head in 1121 00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:44,080 the sand sort of routine which is 1122 00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,360 unfortunate well I mean it's and it's 1123 00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,920 it's remarkable you know what's what 1124 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:50,200 people I think no but don't realize is 1125 00:46:52,830 --> 00:46:50,740 the following 1126 00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,840 there are currently and there have been 1127 00:46:58,110 --> 00:46:55,800 for decades if not more than a century 1128 00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,120 archaeological excavations going on 1129 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:00,900 across the world archaeological 1130 00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:04,410 excavations of you know which are 1131 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:06,630 non-controversial they are just 1132 00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:10,240 excavating the people the archaeologists 1133 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:14,020 involve quite often wait years sometimes 1134 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:18,940 decades before being published before 1135 00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,190 they really decide that they feel 1136 00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:22,960 they're in a position to write about 1137 00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:25,240 this the Italian archaeologists have 1138 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:29,380 made an analysis 80% of material from 1139 00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:32,470 archaeological excavations in Italy has 1140 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:35,350 never been published this means that 1141 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:38,230 there is no trace at all of these 1142 00:47:44,490 --> 00:47:40,810 artifacts they are just lying somewhere 1143 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,500 as complete unknowns and guess what an 1144 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:46,150 awful lot of them go missing because 1145 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:49,210 after a while these fourths of museums 1146 00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:51,850 fill up people you know come in and they 1147 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:53,560 say well what is what is this Stern 1148 00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:54,850 about and they kind of go oh we don't 1149 00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:56,230 know nobody that were published anything 1150 00:47:59,520 --> 00:47:58,090 about this oh how long has it been here 1151 00:48:02,610 --> 00:47:59,530 Oh 70 years up 1152 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:02,620 that's it we don't need it and so 1153 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:08,020 that would look great on my mantle as a 1154 00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:10,510 paperweight uh-huh it's Christmas I've 1155 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:12,280 forgotten to give a present to my son 1156 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:15,310 here is one and you know all these 1157 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:18,310 things are happening day and day out and 1158 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:20,290 and this is about the non-controversial 1159 00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:23,650 bits so all of this evidence you know 1160 00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:26,440 doesn't exist because there is no 1161 00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,710 documentation of this and this is again 1162 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:31,980 underlining the problem which 1163 00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:35,410 archaeology has as a whole and and one 1164 00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:37,180 of the reasons why the ancient alien 1165 00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:38,590 question you know the title of my book 1166 00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:40,630 is the ancient alien question I would 1167 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:42,040 have much preferred it to have called 1168 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:45,010 the ancient alien answer but I do not 1169 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:47,530 have millions of dollars and because I 1170 00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,690 do not have billions of dollars I i 1171 00:48:54,780 --> 00:48:52,420 cannot employ universities to do my 1172 00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:54,790 bidding for me and basically give me 1173 00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:57,880 answers I realize still on scientists to 1174 00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,740 give me the answers or at least some of 1175 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:02,020 the answers well one of the things that 1176 00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:04,210 I really was quite fascinated by in your 1177 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:06,460 book is the very very thorough way that 1178 00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:09,490 you went through many of our you know 1179 00:49:14,670 --> 00:49:12,120 very very interesting and controversial 1180 00:49:17,220 --> 00:49:14,680 archaeological sites of course we all 1181 00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:17,230 remember Erich von Daniken's chariot of 1182 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:19,600 the gods and gold of the gods and some 1183 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:22,480 of his early books where he did you know 1184 00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,450 a fair job for the time of looking at 1185 00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,040 some of these megalithic sites for 1186 00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:29,200 instance in in other sites around the 1187 00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:31,390 world that that scientists really have 1188 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:33,580 never really reconciled some of the 1189 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:35,170 details of how these sites were 1190 00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:37,900 constructed what they were used for and 1191 00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:40,360 one thing that I do appreciate from your 1192 00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:42,430 book is you do a very good job of going 1193 00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:43,870 through some of these sites and really 1194 00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:47,320 explaining what we know now it's been 40 1195 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:48,760 years since some of Martin's von 1196 00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:50,650 Daniken's earliest days came out and 1197 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:52,900 some of them have been refuted others 1198 00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:54,370 still are con 1199 00:50:00,780 --> 00:49:57,220 travursel and subject to to question 1200 00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:00,790 which of the megalithic sites do you 1201 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:03,550 feel offer the best evidence of some 1202 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:06,690 form of interaction with 1203 00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:10,410 extraterrestrials I would say Baalbek 1204 00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:15,100 simply because of its sheer size very 1205 00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,750 close second this puma punku and i'll 1206 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:18,160 probably begin with puma punku to 1207 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:21,520 explain why I prefer barbaric puma punku 1208 00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:24,430 is this site aren't the bolivian 1209 00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:26,820 altiplano very close to Tiahuanaco and 1210 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:30,550 it shows extraordinary designs it shows 1211 00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:32,530 evidence of extraordinary detail 1212 00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:36,310 drilling which either somebody did with 1213 00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:40,600 extraordinary eye for detail or a tool 1214 00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:43,000 which you know would be described as a 1215 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,340 pretty much high technology no 1216 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:48,880 technological - it's also the designs 1217 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:52,810 there are of an intricacy whereby you go 1218 00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:55,510 why would anybody need to have this kind 1219 00:51:03,110 --> 00:50:59,890 of detail it looks as if it was made for 1220 00:51:05,610 --> 00:51:03,120 you know a technological application a 1221 00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:05,620 technological machinery to be hooked up 1222 00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,400 to this installation now it's that I'm 1223 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:10,720 going to ask you a quick question the 1224 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:12,730 devil's advocates question but you'll 1225 00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:14,050 have to wait to our next segment to 1226 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:16,180 answer I'm not trying to be nasty it's 1227 00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:18,970 just my way and that is here how do we 1228 00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:20,620 know this isn't one of these one-off 1229 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:22,540 things that somebody built a model of 1230 00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,690 something and they may have some kind of 1231 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:28,020 artistic merit but had no technological 1232 00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:30,730 value and we'll explain why I said that 1233 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:31,390 in a moment 1234 00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:33,490 we have Philip Coppins with gene and 1235 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,620 Chris so you're definitely in the para 1236 00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:37,380 cast 1237 00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:44,810 [Music] 1238 00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:48,030 the GC and radio network providing the 1239 00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:51,060 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 1240 00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:55,020 and great talk radio starts 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live.com hi this is Ted Anderson 1255 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,000 have you ever wondered why banks 1256 00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:25,680 stockbrokers investment advisors won't 1257 00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,270 talk about gold IRAs they've been 1258 00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:29,400 available since 1986 yet the financial 1259 00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:30,960 industry won't recognize the value of 1260 00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:32,520 gold for your retirement goal is 1261 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:34,500 outperform paper investments yet no word 1262 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:36,180 about IRAs if you would like to have 1263 00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:49,000 806-853-9949 1264 00:53:04,670 --> 00:52:59,790 welcome back to the para cast the gold 1265 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:04,680 standard of paranormal radio and now 1266 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:11,920 here's Jane Steinberg with Philip 1267 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:14,710 Coppins talking ancient astronauts and 1268 00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:16,330 other stuff with Jeanne and Chris and 1269 00:53:20,490 --> 00:53:18,550 the power cast so the question I raised 1270 00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:20,500 kind of a devil's advocate look here 1271 00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:22,600 when you find these strange artifacts 1272 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:24,520 like something that looked like a little 1273 00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:27,100 tiny primitive helicopter like a toy 1274 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:31,020 some years back could these be just toys 1275 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:33,550 something someone imagines rather than 1276 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:37,570 something real oome barks well precisely 1277 00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:39,910 and this is the reason why I'm you know 1278 00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,600 puma punku is up there very highly now 1279 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:45,760 again puma punku if it was a one-off 1280 00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:48,850 without any need just kind of like a guy 1281 00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:50,470 doing it then first of all he was 1282 00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:53,380 extremely devoted um he was also allowed 1283 00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:56,080 to do so on sacred ground and and third 1284 00:54:01,710 --> 00:53:58,570 of all he did have technological tools 1285 00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,720 at his disposal to do so so it's not 1286 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:03,760 just that this was a guy freewheeling in 1287 00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:05,830 his garage somewhere and in the back 1288 00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:08,950 lots of oven and you know boring 1289 00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:11,500 suburbian kind of pre end of prehistory 1290 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:14,950 but with Bauer back this changes with 1291 00:54:20,430 --> 00:54:17,530 Baalbek you cannot go for the for the 1292 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:20,440 easy answers Baalbek incorporates stones 1293 00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:23,500 which weigh up to two tons there are 1294 00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:26,230 stones there you know several of them 1295 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:29,500 which are over one ton and these stones 1296 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:32,050 but wait a minute it'll two hundred tons 1297 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:34,810 I think is that the trial if Ilan is is 1298 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:37,330 how big is the trial triathlon there are 1299 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:40,710 stones in the platform which are up to 1300 00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:42,910 1,200 tons and there is one in the 1301 00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:45,880 quarry which is is basically 1900 tons 1302 00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:49,360 what we have is is terms of of enormous 1303 00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:51,820 weight the question is how did these get 1304 00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,580 transported they would be clearly were 1305 00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,760 and at the end of the 20th century 1306 00:55:03,030 --> 00:54:59,920 basically there was no technology in 1307 00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:03,040 place which could transport these there 1308 00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:05,320 was technology which could lift it but 1309 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:08,260 not lift and transport yet somehow 1310 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,690 these were moved into place they were 1311 00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:12,670 lifted they were taken from the quarry 1312 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:14,620 to where they eventually ended up and 1313 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:16,450 that is the kind of stuff where by you 1314 00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,510 go ok scientists please explain this and 1315 00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,540 science doesn't even address it science 1316 00:55:26,580 --> 00:55:24,400 is is actually quite interesting in 1317 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,590 saying that the Roman temple on top is 1318 00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,050 really a temple which was the largest 1319 00:55:35,820 --> 00:55:32,160 temple outside of the Roman Empire the 1320 00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:35,830 building stones used for that exceeds 1321 00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:38,910 pretty much just tiny bit but still 1322 00:55:44,250 --> 00:55:41,710 exceeds the Roman engineering 1323 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:44,260 capabilities of their time scientists 1324 00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,690 are quite clear about this and they 1325 00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:48,160 basically say that they don't really 1326 00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:50,740 know how it was done but that you know 1327 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:53,950 it was just off so it as if it's kind of 1328 00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:56,350 like you know good enough it's like it's 1329 00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,810 almost as saying okay we could build the 1330 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:00,880 Empire State Building but we X but 1331 00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:03,010 that's what as far as we went and then 1332 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:04,390 you look right next to it and you find 1333 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:05,890 it a taller structure than the Empire 1334 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:07,990 State Building and you kind of want to 1335 00:56:11,220 --> 00:56:09,610 say to science okay I know it's right 1336 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:11,230 next door and it's just slightly higher 1337 00:56:15,330 --> 00:56:13,480 but you said it's the small one next to 1338 00:56:16,650 --> 00:56:15,340 it which was at the symptom of what we 1339 00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:16,660 could build so could you please explain 1340 00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:19,510 the wall next to it anyway the fact I 1341 00:56:25,850 --> 00:56:22,270 think is quite interesting that this 1342 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:25,860 expertise in building of Romans 1343 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:28,530 supersedes anything the Romans did 1344 00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:32,290 precisely on a spot where the expertise 1345 00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:34,710 in building which you know exceeds 1346 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:37,360 everybody's understanding up until a few 1347 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:40,150 decades ago and to me that that is 1348 00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:43,690 evidence that something in Baalbek you 1349 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:45,910 know was definitely off and that to some 1350 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:48,730 extent there was maybe an understanding 1351 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:51,610 or a knowledge which kept living there 1352 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:54,790 and helped Romans into the construction 1353 00:57:00,330 --> 00:56:57,340 of their building works but when it 1354 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:00,340 comes to building projects as a whole at 1355 00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:03,730 this moment in time it is easier to say 1356 00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,670 that they were build using some form of 1357 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:09,040 Technology don't you say that that 1358 00:57:13,410 --> 00:57:11,010 technology by default was 1359 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:13,420 extraterrestrial if you want to make 1360 00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:16,690 that jump then really you need to also 1361 00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:20,140 rely on basically mythological or 1362 00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,060 historical or anthropological record 1363 00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:24,400 which say that the Leutnant which which 1364 00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:25,870 basically goes that the locals are 1365 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,430 saying that they were not the ones 1366 00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:30,160 building this but that it were non-human 1367 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:32,110 intelligence who built this for them and 1368 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:35,920 to some extent that is subjective in the 1369 00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,440 sense that the locals might not know 1370 00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,000 they might have exaggerated they might 1371 00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:42,880 have invented but they might also be 1372 00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:44,950 telling the truth that is you know 1373 00:57:50,250 --> 00:57:47,980 amongst the scope but just on the pure 1374 00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,260 archaeological record a building you 1375 00:57:56,850 --> 00:57:54,160 know will only be a building and it's a 1376 00:58:00,450 --> 00:57:56,860 two-edged sword if it was built from 1377 00:58:01,010 --> 00:58:00,460 metal or from iron or something like 1378 00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:01,020 that 1379 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:03,510 thousands of years ago then it probably 1380 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:07,210 is no longer visible so we do no longer 1381 00:58:13,590 --> 00:58:10,540 have it so the best chance of of having 1382 00:58:16,610 --> 00:58:13,600 something from that time is gone but 1383 00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:16,620 what remains are buildings in stone and 1384 00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,270 these are buildings in stone we can 1385 00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,760 pinpoint the fact that they included 1386 00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:24,160 high technology but at it is it you know 1387 00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:26,320 they are from terrestrial stone proving 1388 00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:29,590 that they have an alien component is not 1389 00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:31,660 easy that always will have to be I think 1390 00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:35,740 a contextual context for that and that 1391 00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:37,480 context is that there has to be 1392 00:58:42,330 --> 00:58:39,790 supporting evidence from from myths or 1393 00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:42,340 legends which say that indeed these 1394 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:43,750 things were built by non-human 1395 00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,490 intelligences well that raises the other 1396 00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:47,200 question - is it possible here rather 1397 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:50,320 than being from non-human intelligences 1398 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:52,450 that we had some pretty advanced 1399 00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:54,970 civilizations here on earth thousands of 1400 00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:56,470 years ago due to some kind of 1401 00:59:02,760 --> 00:58:58,690 catastrophe whatever those civilizations 1402 00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:02,770 died vanished and here we are absolutely 1403 00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:05,020 and they are I'm likely going to be the 1404 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:07,390 subject of my next book but all of those 1405 00:59:10,830 --> 00:59:08,710 things you know like the story of 1406 00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:10,840 Atlantis they don't end up in my book 1407 00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:13,480 basically because there is nothing to 1408 00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:16,960 suggest that Atlantis had anything to do 1409 00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:19,840 with et or non-human intelligences for 1410 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:23,110 its for why then assume or even 1411 00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:25,420 speculate on the possibility that had to 1412 00:59:29,790 --> 00:59:27,460 be et if there could have been in 1413 00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:29,800 Atlantis because I'm not speculating I 1414 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:32,350 am taking the mythological records of 1415 00:59:35,490 --> 00:59:34,120 the ancient Egyptians and all these 1416 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:35,500 other people 1417 00:59:39,390 --> 00:59:37,690 and saying that they themselves were 1418 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,400 saying that they were guided on the path 1419 00:59:44,610 --> 00:59:42,160 of civilization by a nonhuman 1420 00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:44,620 intelligence you know when it comes to 1421 00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:47,080 the classical story which probably 1422 00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:49,000 illustrates this past Easter story over 1423 00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:52,150 1yz oh wow nice is described by a guy 1424 00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:54,700 called Burruss and awha knees is 1425 00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:56,440 basically said to have given 1426 01:00:00,720 --> 00:59:58,140 civilization to the ancient Babylonians 1427 01:00:03,810 --> 01:00:00,730 he is described as a creature which was 1428 01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,820 half fish half man who came out it was 1429 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:06,400 something fishy about that uh-huh who 1430 01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:07,690 came out of the Persian Gulf 1431 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,910 do you drive here the bomb sound when I 1432 01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:11,200 have jokes like that 1433 01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:13,540 no because they say I tell bad jokes 1434 01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:16,780 uh-huh about a fish guy being 1435 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:18,580 responsible for civilization I've you 1436 01:00:23,070 --> 01:00:20,440 know alright don't don't kill the lily 1437 01:00:24,810 --> 01:00:23,080 here go ahead please so basically it's 1438 01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:24,820 it's it's a creature which is described 1439 01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,790 as half fish half man who comes out of 1440 01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:30,160 the Persian Gulf by day time teaches at 1441 01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:31,900 night goes back into the Persian Gulf 1442 01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:33,400 the following morning or a few days 1443 01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:35,020 later comes back and this goes on for 1444 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:37,540 seven such creatures he's remembered in 1445 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:39,610 Sumerian civilizations as the absolute 1446 01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:43,000 so you have the ancient Babylonians and 1447 01:00:47,610 --> 01:00:44,860 to some extent the Sumerians is saying 1448 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:47,620 that their civilization was given to 1449 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:49,990 them with the help of a nonhuman 1450 01:00:52,890 --> 01:00:51,010 intelligence 1451 01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:52,900 Hani's and his lights so I'm not 1452 01:00:57,780 --> 01:00:56,230 speculating willy-nilly saying that that 1453 01:00:59,640 --> 01:00:57,790 we cannot explain something about the 1454 01:01:03,000 --> 01:00:59,650 Babylonian civilization so that by 1455 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:03,010 default it has to be ET you know if 1456 01:01:08,010 --> 01:01:05,590 there was no mythological evidence or 1457 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:08,020 historical evidence about a creature 1458 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,850 like Oh honest then yes I would be 1459 01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:11,680 speculating and I would have to go 1460 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:14,800 through - two more hoops and loops to 1461 01:01:19,230 --> 01:01:16,600 draw that conclusion but in this case 1462 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:19,240 it's our ancestors themselves who said 1463 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:21,610 that they were guided and instructed by 1464 01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:24,010 non-human intelligences well can that be 1465 01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:26,470 a little bit fanciful - in this case 1466 01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:29,980 that we're reading stories now that may 1467 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:32,680 have had a partly fictional element 1468 01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:34,690 didn't they write fiction then actually 1469 01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:36,520 they don't and this is a bit I mean did 1470 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:38,260 they write fiction then we assume that 1471 01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:40,930 they did they write fiction yes they 1472 01:01:44,820 --> 01:01:42,220 wrote fiction and it was clearly 1473 01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:44,830 identifiable as fiction but this idea 1474 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:46,540 like you know could it be fiction yes 1475 01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:48,530 everything is possible but 1476 01:01:53,590 --> 01:01:51,350 Burruss was a the guy who writes history 1477 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:53,600 and this is the big thing which which 1478 01:01:59,560 --> 01:01:56,450 science does when it comes to Atlantis 1479 01:02:01,480 --> 01:01:59,570 you know Plato was both historian and 1480 01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:01,490 philosopher and so when you have the 1481 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:03,980 likes of Ken feeder who argued that 1482 01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:08,090 Atlantis was not a real historical 1483 01:02:13,150 --> 01:02:10,670 civilization but that this is somehow 1484 01:02:15,490 --> 01:02:13,160 the imagination of Plateau 1485 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:15,500 that he does this as an idealized state 1486 01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:17,810 because he's going to give a lesson to 1487 01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:21,140 his fellow Greeks as to how they are you 1488 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:23,150 know like really I'm having dire morals 1489 01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:26,090 and they need to have a moral lesson and 1490 01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:29,030 therefore he sees needs the the 1491 01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,100 civilization of Atlantis as something 1492 01:02:37,690 --> 01:02:33,440 play to invent it well Plato writes 1493 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:37,700 about Atlantis in a book solely 1494 01:02:44,860 --> 01:02:41,330 dedicated to history okay we'll get more 1495 01:02:46,450 --> 01:02:44,870 into Plato's discussion of Atlantis and 1496 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:46,460 more with Philip Coppins with Jean and 1497 01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:53,780 Chris you're in the para cast so here's 1498 01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:55,160 what happened I was placing an order 1499 01:03:00,340 --> 01:02:57,710 online the site went down it just 1500 01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:00,350 stopped responding it took hours before 1501 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:02,030 it returned but I'd already placed the 1502 01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:03,650 order with another company 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the 1600 01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,839 scientists are then saying is well you 1601 01:07:58,879 --> 01:07:57,359 know Plato is pretending it's like Dan 1602 01:08:00,319 --> 01:07:58,889 Brown you know in The Da Vinci Code at 1603 01:08:03,139 --> 01:08:00,329 the beginning there's this fine of like 1604 01:08:04,999 --> 01:08:03,149 these are facts and then you know they 1605 01:08:06,769 --> 01:08:05,009 some of them don't turn out to be facts 1606 01:08:09,799 --> 01:08:06,779 and so they're saying this is exactly 1607 01:08:12,469 --> 01:08:09,809 what Plato is doing as well fair enough 1608 01:08:14,779 --> 01:08:12,479 that could be but simply because an 1609 01:08:17,419 --> 01:08:14,789 archaeologist thinks that something is 1610 01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:17,429 possible doesn't mean it's possible you 1611 01:08:22,249 --> 01:08:19,980 know you need to stick with the evidence 1612 01:08:24,529 --> 01:08:22,259 and the evidence is that Plato is saying 1613 01:08:26,629 --> 01:08:24,539 that this is history so you should stick 1614 01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,639 with it until you can prove it is not 1615 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:28,799 the assumption doesn't work the other 1616 01:08:33,529 --> 01:08:30,690 way around as people want to have it now 1617 01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,539 the killer is this even in his own time 1618 01:08:39,019 --> 01:08:36,480 people in atoms are skeptical about what 1619 01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:39,029 Plato is saying and these skeptics jump 1620 01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,920 in a boat and dash off to Egypt because 1621 01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,719 this is where Plato's sources have heard 1622 01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:45,359 about Atlantis and they arrive in Egypt 1623 01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:47,400 they go to the temple they speak to the 1624 01:08:52,009 --> 01:08:49,859 priests and in the full hope that this 1625 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:52,019 briefs are going to say I have no idea 1626 01:08:56,509 --> 01:08:54,690 who you're talking about I have no idea 1627 01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:56,519 what you're talking about do you want to 1628 01:09:00,049 --> 01:08:58,259 have a drink because you've come such a 1629 01:09:02,329 --> 01:09:00,059 long way and you know have a pleasant 1630 01:09:05,419 --> 01:09:02,339 journey back well what the priest says 1631 01:09:07,729 --> 01:09:05,429 is yes I remember that person coming 1632 01:09:11,029 --> 01:09:07,739 here I can show you the column and the 1633 01:09:13,819 --> 01:09:11,039 walls on which these myths and stories 1634 01:09:16,609 --> 01:09:13,829 are told and so what happens is that his 1635 01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:16,619 skeptics go back to Greece and when 1636 01:09:23,059 --> 01:09:19,859 everybody unfortunately for them asks 1637 01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,069 them so how did it go in Egypt they are 1638 01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:25,920 fortunately honest enough to actually 1639 01:09:30,919 --> 01:09:28,259 confess that what they indeed were 1640 01:09:34,129 --> 01:09:30,929 confronted with was the fact that these 1641 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:34,139 stories existed on the Egyptian walls 1642 01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,809 now again let's be devil's advocate here 1643 01:09:39,469 --> 01:09:37,679 and 1644 01:09:40,939 --> 01:09:39,479 say that this is not necessarily 1645 01:09:44,569 --> 01:09:40,949 evidence of the existence of Atlantis 1646 01:09:47,419 --> 01:09:44,579 but what we are confronted with is the 1647 01:09:51,949 --> 01:09:47,429 fact that the ancient Egyptians told 1648 01:09:54,529 --> 01:09:51,959 Plato as if it were and could be history 1649 01:09:58,009 --> 01:09:54,539 that there was a lost civilization of 1650 01:10:01,609 --> 01:09:58,019 Atlantis this is evidence this is proven 1651 01:10:03,739 --> 01:10:01,619 to be the case now look at what the 1652 01:10:06,739 --> 01:10:03,749 archaeologists are saying they're saying 1653 01:10:09,109 --> 01:10:06,749 that Plato made this up that is simply 1654 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:09,119 untenable and they do this trick time 1655 01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:12,449 and time again they focus in on certain 1656 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:14,699 things and the reason why you know like 1657 01:10:19,219 --> 01:10:16,530 it's it's great to have you as the 1658 01:10:20,959 --> 01:10:19,229 devil's advocate and we all need to be 1659 01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:20,969 devil's advocate but the reason why 1660 01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,030 there is this specific desire to be a 1661 01:10:28,939 --> 01:10:25,920 devil's advocate in explaining things 1662 01:10:31,429 --> 01:10:28,949 way is because scientists have been 1663 01:10:33,649 --> 01:10:31,439 doing this all too often and have been 1664 01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:33,659 getting away with it all too often the 1665 01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,150 reason why people in the past we're 1666 01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:37,920 writing about Atlantis we're writing 1667 01:10:42,979 --> 01:10:40,199 about Zeus we're writing about all of 1668 01:10:45,919 --> 01:10:42,989 these myths which we considered to be 1669 01:10:48,859 --> 01:10:45,929 myths is because what they were saying 1670 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:48,869 is this our ancestors and in our own 1671 01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:49,650 times 1672 01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,249 saw strange things we are writing down 1673 01:10:56,959 --> 01:10:55,260 these things because the reason why 1674 01:10:59,649 --> 01:10:56,969 we're writing down these things is 1675 01:11:02,870 --> 01:10:59,659 because we want to leave a record to our 1676 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:02,880 descendants that reality seems to be far 1677 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:06,570 weirder than our eyes seem to suggest to 1678 01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:09,570 us and so we hope that you have a 1679 01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,550 continuous record of the fact that 1680 01:11:16,429 --> 01:11:13,920 weirdness if it were to happen in your 1681 01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:16,439 time just doesn't originate in your time 1682 01:11:19,759 --> 01:11:18,329 but that is has been happening for a 1683 01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:19,769 very long period of time 1684 01:11:24,169 --> 01:11:22,679 now let me choke Phillip before you go 1685 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:24,179 on let's I'm gonna get back to genes 1686 01:11:28,459 --> 01:11:26,130 question real quick and kind of put it 1687 01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:28,469 into into a slightly you know more 1688 01:11:31,879 --> 01:11:30,329 applied context here let's say that 1689 01:11:33,949 --> 01:11:31,889 there wasn't Atlantis let's say there 1690 01:11:36,859 --> 01:11:33,959 was Lemuria how do we know that these 1691 01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:36,869 ancient ancient three antediluvian I 1692 01:11:40,969 --> 01:11:39,479 guess cultures didn't have high 1693 01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:40,979 technology they didn't have power tools 1694 01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:43,260 a that maybe they had some sort of 1695 01:11:49,819 --> 01:11:47,340 exotic ability to hover huge megalithic 1696 01:11:50,419 --> 01:11:49,829 stones with sound is one theory that 1697 01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:50,429 I've heard 1698 01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,070 and in this would this would then put 1699 01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:55,920 the whole idea of alien intervention-- 1700 01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:57,719 or some sort of off-planet or 1701 01:12:02,270 --> 01:11:59,699 extraterrestrial intervention you know 1702 01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:02,280 would would be a moot point because if 1703 01:12:07,820 --> 01:12:05,340 perhaps humans did at one point in very 1704 01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:07,830 ancient past have exalted technology 1705 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:10,140 that's one one area that I think a lot 1706 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:12,810 of of people who look as you do 1707 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:14,610 creatively at this ancient alien 1708 01:12:19,459 --> 01:12:16,850 question you have to factor in that 1709 01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:19,469 possibility I do and I don't first of 1710 01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:21,870 all I don't because the the topics I'm 1711 01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:24,360 talking about do not date back to twenty 1712 01:12:27,919 --> 01:12:26,699 thirty thousand years or however old you 1713 01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:27,929 want to do Atlantis you know the 1714 01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:30,800 Atlantis question begins to take effect 1715 01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:33,540 basically nine thousand BC and and 1716 01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,429 further back in time so when we're 1717 01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:38,159 talking to things like puma punku we're 1718 01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:40,199 definitely on on this side of that 1719 01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:42,360 divide now you would then begin to use 1720 01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:44,820 to to maybe argue which you can that 1721 01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,860 there were descendants of atlantis but i 1722 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:48,480 would then argue where is the evidence 1723 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:51,810 the evidence today is there which says 1724 01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:54,090 whether it's in Babylonia or in other 1725 01:12:58,220 --> 01:12:56,280 you know not all civilizations but but 1726 01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:58,230 several of them but again let's stick 1727 01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,000 with the Babylonian one because that's 1728 01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,920 the example I have been using so far for 1729 01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:05,040 for esa's sake the Babylonian tradition 1730 01:13:10,340 --> 01:13:07,830 about awareness is not saying that they 1731 01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:10,350 were given the the gifts of civilization 1732 01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:12,510 from some lost civilization of Atlantis 1733 01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:14,670 or some other thing they were saying 1734 01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:17,489 they were given this gift by a creature 1735 01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:21,659 which was non-human that is the evidence 1736 01:13:25,939 --> 01:13:23,670 all the rest we can speculate about as 1737 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:25,949 wildly as possible and you know is it 1738 01:13:29,959 --> 01:13:28,290 possible that there are let's say you 1739 01:13:31,939 --> 01:13:29,969 know that there is some where evidence 1740 01:13:34,459 --> 01:13:31,949 of a lost civilization of Atlantis and 1741 01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,469 that they had high technology and that 1742 01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:36,960 this evidence is somewhere only on this 1743 01:13:42,770 --> 01:13:39,449 planet I think the answer is probably 1744 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:42,780 yes but that yes doesn't mean that we 1745 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:45,090 can extrapolate that yes to may let's 1746 01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:47,010 whatever number we're going to use let's 1747 01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:49,409 say five five artifacts it could be a 1748 01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:51,090 thousand it could be one it doesn't 1749 01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:53,580 matter but the five artifacts which do 1750 01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:55,020 fall in that category 1751 01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:56,699 you cannot extrapolate and then say oh 1752 01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,920 well this proves that all you that this 1753 01:14:03,050 --> 01:14:00,780 applies to everything that's simply not 1754 01:14:03,740 --> 01:14:03,060 the case there is every yeah you can't 1755 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:03,750 use that 1756 01:14:08,420 --> 01:14:06,090 a brushstroke obviously but perhaps her 1757 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:08,430 were vestiges of this technology that 1758 01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:11,490 did survive into the ancient you know 1759 01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:13,860 cultures that we now know definitively 1760 01:14:19,670 --> 01:14:16,260 that existed this Sumerian the the 1761 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:19,680 Harappan culture Egypt obviously maybe 1762 01:14:23,290 --> 01:14:21,930 some ancient Mesoamerican cultures so 1763 01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,300 perhaps these are vestiges of 1764 01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:25,920 information and technology that then 1765 01:14:30,710 --> 01:14:28,590 disappeared who we don't really know I I 1766 01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:30,720 just find it very very intriguing that 1767 01:14:35,780 --> 01:14:33,540 you would have similar myths that are 1768 01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:35,790 found around the world that do suggest 1769 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:38,340 that there has been some sort of 1770 01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:40,530 intervention on some level of course you 1771 01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:42,180 know very kochiya comes to mind cuts a 1772 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:44,430 quatl in the mess of Mesoamerican 1773 01:14:50,450 --> 01:14:47,970 systems and in others in the east so so 1774 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:50,460 where where do we go I mean how do we 1775 01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:53,130 but if we can't get science to come 1776 01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:56,190 forward and do the proper work and do 1777 01:14:59,960 --> 01:14:58,260 the proper analysis of of these sites 1778 01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:59,970 and publish their work in a timely 1779 01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,980 manner I mean what what recourse do we 1780 01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:03,360 have other than to write books and 1781 01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:06,180 scratch our heads and and speculate 1782 01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:08,520 before your head is scratched any 1783 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:11,310 further and maybe we don't want to build 1784 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:13,110 up the source there'd be graphic about 1785 01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:13,410 it 1786 01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:14,940 let me tell our listeners if you have a 1787 01:15:19,820 --> 01:15:16,470 comment or a question about the show 1788 01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:19,830 write us news at the para cast com news 1789 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:22,500 at the para cast com the book from 1790 01:15:27,530 --> 01:15:24,210 Philip Coppins is called the ancient 1791 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:27,540 alien question a new inquiry into the 1792 01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:30,050 existence evidence and influence 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hundred 1890 01:20:04,460 --> 01:20:00,060 [Music] 1891 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:07,590 we continued with Philip Coppins about 1892 01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:09,850 ancient astronauts and focusing on a lot 1893 01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,430 of different questions as is his want 1894 01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:16,000 Chris O'Brien asks a lengthy question we 1895 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:17,710 give you the break to figure out the 1896 01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:19,930 answer Philip what's your answer well 1897 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:23,460 you know we are back to let's go back to 1898 01:20:30,930 --> 01:20:26,290 1968 I read from that I can writes 1899 01:20:34,620 --> 01:20:30,940 Chariots of the Gods and asked 237 1900 01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:34,630 question marks in that book 45 years 1901 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:38,080 later some of these question mark marks 1902 01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:40,090 are still out there because science 1903 01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:42,460 hasn't addressed these things now that 1904 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:45,460 doesn't mean nothing has has changed so 1905 01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:47,530 I used the example in the book of the 1906 01:20:52,650 --> 01:20:50,440 Nazca lines the Nazca lines in 1968 1907 01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:52,660 where something nobody had really heard 1908 01:20:57,410 --> 01:20:54,580 of there was a lone German woman called 1909 01:21:01,470 --> 01:20:57,420 Maria Ricci who almost single-handedly 1910 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:01,480 protected these lines and Erik was told 1911 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:03,130 that he should go there and look at them 1912 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:06,970 and what he does is he says okay this is 1913 01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:07,540 interesting 1914 01:21:12,420 --> 01:21:10,150 these lines are clearly meant to be seen 1915 01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:12,430 from the sky he also points out that 1916 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:15,220 sections of the geoglyphs of of the 1917 01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:17,650 Nazca lines look and the key word is 1918 01:21:24,090 --> 01:21:21,250 here like an airport I want to ask you 1919 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:24,100 something but maybe phrase this in a 1920 01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:26,050 little bit of a story I'll tell you okay 1921 01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:28,720 now I know what erich von daniken says 1922 01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:30,460 about the Nazca lines here's another 1923 01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:31,300 story for you 1924 01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:33,970 Jim Mosely publisher regenitive saucer 1925 01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:35,680 news and a saucer smear used to go to 1926 01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:38,860 Peru to as they say acquire artifacts 1927 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:41,800 for sale okay he calls himself 1928 01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:44,050 quote-unquote a grave robber of ancient 1929 01:21:47,190 --> 01:21:44,590 grapes 1930 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:47,200 Yona Fortner the guy I talked to you 1931 01:21:51,180 --> 01:21:49,090 about before the guy who was writing 1932 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:51,190 about ancient astronauts back in the 1933 01:21:56,610 --> 01:21:54,340 late 50s or early 60s they went to Peru 1934 01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:56,620 Jim financed the Onis trip to Peru and 1935 01:21:59,780 --> 01:21:57,580 understand Yona 1936 01:22:02,580 --> 01:21:59,790 suffered from polio as a child he was 1937 01:22:04,030 --> 01:22:02,590 handicapped was wheelchair-bound so this 1938 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:04,040 was rather difficult 1939 01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,330 he somehow or had his assistants go up 1940 01:22:11,950 --> 01:22:10,400 on a ladder to look at the Nazca lines 1941 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:11,960 they could see it they didn't have to be 1942 01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:13,010 way up in the sky 1943 01:22:17,770 --> 01:22:15,230 what's your response no you don't have 1944 01:22:19,630 --> 01:22:17,780 to be way up in the sky to see them but 1945 01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:19,640 as a whole they are meant to be seen 1946 01:22:23,950 --> 01:22:21,590 from the sky there is clearly a 1947 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:23,960 difference between seeing them from a 1948 01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:26,810 ladder and seeing them from the sky I'll 1949 01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:29,090 get to the to a point which kind of like 1950 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:30,350 you know mixed is this even more 1951 01:22:36,730 --> 01:22:34,370 apparent when we are you know in 1968 1952 01:22:40,270 --> 01:22:36,740 and von Daniken puts this out there on 1953 01:22:42,130 --> 01:22:40,280 the big canvas he is is basically you 1954 01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,140 know confronting scientists with the 1955 01:22:46,030 --> 01:22:44,480 fact that a they have no scientific 1956 01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:46,040 publications about this they have never 1957 01:22:50,860 --> 01:22:48,290 looked at this so they begin to do the 1958 01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:50,870 investigation now where are we roughly 1959 01:22:57,730 --> 01:22:54,560 45 years later we have scientists out 1960 01:23:00,010 --> 01:22:57,740 there who are saying that in their 1961 01:23:02,530 --> 01:23:00,020 opinion these geoglyphs were indeed 1962 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:02,540 meant to be seen from the sky and they 1963 01:23:09,070 --> 01:23:04,610 are pointing out that it is in their 1964 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:09,080 opinion quite likely that the people of 1965 01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:10,970 the Nazca culture who by the way was 1966 01:23:14,410 --> 01:23:12,320 extraordinary they were to build a 1967 01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:14,420 pyramid building culture that these 1968 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:17,090 people had hot-air balloons with which 1969 01:23:22,450 --> 01:23:19,850 they took to the sky and basically 1970 01:23:24,490 --> 01:23:22,460 looked to the geoglyphs from their hotel 1971 01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:24,500 balloons and they have basically 1972 01:23:29,230 --> 01:23:27,140 identified sections near the the 1973 01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:29,240 geoglyphs whereby at his belief that 1974 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:32,750 actually the the hotel was created to to 1975 01:23:38,140 --> 01:23:35,810 power this these balloons with fire now 1976 01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:38,150 when you look at again when you look at 1977 01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:40,190 this the the skeptical scientist he will 1978 01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:42,110 say well you know from Daniken said 1979 01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:43,790 first of all he will not say like an 1980 01:23:47,410 --> 01:23:45,590 airport he will say that one that I can 1981 01:23:48,940 --> 01:23:47,420 said it was an airport and he will say 1982 01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:48,950 you see we've proven from that I can 1983 01:23:54,730 --> 01:23:52,820 wrong no what we have proven if anything 1984 01:23:56,620 --> 01:23:54,740 is that from Daniken said these things 1985 01:23:58,570 --> 01:23:56,630 were meant to be seen from the sky and 1986 01:24:00,610 --> 01:23:58,580 now we have scientists who are saying 1987 01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:00,620 actually there is evidence to suggest 1988 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:02,840 that the people who were part of this 1989 01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:05,690 culture actually did have flying 1990 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:08,750 capabilities now at no point in time at 1991 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:11,330 this moment in time are is there any 1992 01:24:15,940 --> 01:24:13,850 evidence to suggest that this was et so 1993 01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:15,950 in that case the ancient alien question 1994 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:17,970 has a negative answer 1995 01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:21,210 but he has put science first of all into 1996 01:24:26,180 --> 01:24:23,640 forcing them to you know address the 1997 01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:26,190 issue and go and explore these things 1998 01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:29,460 and I think after 45 years science has 1999 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:31,020 been looking into some of these things 2000 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:32,970 but it has not looked at all too 2001 01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:35,130 detailed in some of these things and 2002 01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:38,430 again when they are confronted with the 2003 01:24:43,670 --> 01:24:39,900 ultimate thing when they can't almost 2004 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:43,680 get underneath it they will do so just 2005 01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:45,690 as reaction to ancient aliens because 2006 01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:47,910 because of its popularity you have 2007 01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:49,590 students who are asking their history 2008 01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:50,820 professors and their archaeology 2009 01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:53,400 professors in American universities yeah 2010 01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,130 and there and their answer is we know 2011 01:25:01,880 --> 01:24:59,040 and when the students are yeah well how 2012 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:01,890 do you know these the professor's say we 2013 01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,770 know so say it louder and you know what 2014 01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:06,480 might be just sounds like this shadow 2015 01:25:11,150 --> 01:25:08,460 you know in the movie the shadow where 2016 01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:11,160 he always says the shadow knows or I 2017 01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:15,150 know well here's another one Philip how 2018 01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:17,340 about the kite fliers I remember some 2019 01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:19,500 years back I saw it and I think National 2020 01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:22,020 Geographic they had found some graves in 2021 01:25:29,810 --> 01:25:25,920 the Nazca area that featured intern 2022 01:25:31,460 --> 01:25:29,820 bodies with their giant kites and one 2023 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:31,470 theory was floated I remember that these 2024 01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:34,890 guys actually were possibly directing 2025 01:25:39,410 --> 01:25:36,440 the construction of the Nazca lines 2026 01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,420 flying in these tethered very large 2027 01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:42,000 kites yes and other research which is 2028 01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:43,710 happening I think in the California 2029 01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:45,900 desert is about the possibility that 2030 01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:48,180 some of these are stones which were used 2031 01:25:51,140 --> 01:25:50,220 in the Giza Plateau also involved kites 2032 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:51,150 kites 2033 01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:54,090 so this kite technology is something 2034 01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:56,280 else which our ancestors seem to have 2035 01:26:02,360 --> 01:25:59,940 developed relatively commonly in our 2036 01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:02,370 past to to get around certain problems 2037 01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:05,790 of building or constructions so you know 2038 01:26:11,870 --> 01:26:08,700 again if but even when it comes to to 2039 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:11,880 the Chi technology you know the the 2040 01:26:16,330 --> 01:26:13,490 people who are involved in this are 2041 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:16,340 amateur scientists who are begging 2042 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:18,810 mainstream science to get involved and 2043 01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:20,490 on board with them and they quite often 2044 01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:22,470 interest to television programs more 2045 01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:25,500 easily to help them experiment and help 2046 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:28,380 them pay for some of the experiments 2047 01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:30,570 that they're willing to do rather than 2048 01:26:35,029 --> 01:26:32,489 find scientist who 2049 01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:35,039 you know actually should be more eager 2050 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:36,780 and I definitely have more time and more 2051 01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:40,170 capabilities of doing this but it's it's 2052 01:26:45,259 --> 01:26:42,510 slow progress okay the official word 2053 01:26:48,259 --> 01:26:45,269 from science about the Nazca lines just 2054 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:48,269 artwork well there there is no such 2055 01:26:53,899 --> 01:26:52,170 thing as a consensus view in fact that 2056 01:26:55,459 --> 01:26:53,909 there are and this this is actually 2057 01:26:57,500 --> 01:26:55,469 isn't a theory from an acceptance 2058 01:26:59,419 --> 01:26:57,510 science sorry from an official scientist 2059 01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:59,429 but like you know Toni Toni Morrison 2060 01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:01,860 kinda did some research on the Nazca 2061 01:27:05,299 --> 01:27:03,300 lines and he basically felt that they 2062 01:27:08,089 --> 01:27:05,309 were to be seen by the shame and during 2063 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:08,099 his out-of-body experience and that he 2064 01:27:13,629 --> 01:27:10,489 would fly over the Nazca lines as such 2065 01:27:15,919 --> 01:27:13,639 again everything about the Nazca lines 2066 01:27:17,569 --> 01:27:15,929 they say that they were scraped off and 2067 01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:17,579 that they have been there for hundreds 2068 01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:21,420 of years and and that is pretty much it 2069 01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:23,999 they they have identified that there are 2070 01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:26,630 certain places along those geoglyphs 2071 01:27:33,169 --> 01:27:30,510 which had to do with would ancestor 2072 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:33,179 worship when you asked him what was 2073 01:27:37,699 --> 01:27:35,610 first there is no clear consensus you 2074 01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:37,709 when you ask somebody the Geo glass were 2075 01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:41,489 before the lines or vice versa there is 2076 01:27:47,649 --> 01:27:45,420 no consensus view there you know there 2077 01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:47,659 have been nearby structures found 2078 01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:50,940 including human remains grave Goods and 2079 01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,340 pyramids there's a clear connection 2080 01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:56,159 between those and the Nazca lines but 2081 01:28:01,449 --> 01:27:58,920 again when you ask which specific phase 2082 01:28:04,819 --> 01:28:01,459 of that culture I would have done this 2083 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:04,829 you you get several answers but no clear 2084 01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:08,570 uniform answer and it is simply because 2085 01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,670 science is not you know addressing these 2086 01:28:15,259 --> 01:28:13,380 things if there is an archeologist 2087 01:28:16,939 --> 01:28:15,269 working on the Nazca lines and he asked 2088 01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:16,949 him so what are you doing he will say 2089 01:28:22,729 --> 01:28:20,280 that he's working on you know well 2090 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,739 slightly joking here the west side of 2091 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:25,199 the fifth pyramid and that he has no 2092 01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:26,610 idea what's happening on the east side 2093 01:28:31,580 --> 01:28:29,159 of the fourth pyramid and again in ten 2094 01:28:33,859 --> 01:28:31,590 years and in ten years he will publish 2095 01:28:36,259 --> 01:28:33,869 about the the west side of the fifth 2096 01:28:37,819 --> 01:28:36,269 pyramid and we'll have to wait for 2097 01:28:39,319 --> 01:28:37,829 somebody to kind of like you know write 2098 01:28:42,529 --> 01:28:39,329 about the east side of the fourth 2099 01:28:44,569 --> 01:28:42,539 pyramid but nobody is doing okay let's 2100 01:28:45,450 --> 01:28:44,579 forget everything here 2101 01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:45,460 and and and 2102 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:47,080 what we have it's just not happening 2103 01:28:51,150 --> 01:28:49,210 archeology is not doing it 2104 01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:51,160 they're basically working them as 2105 01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,910 separate events not integrated yeah it 2106 01:29:01,050 --> 01:28:57,840 is it is so isolationist it's incredible 2107 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:01,060 sounds like a musician go ahead Chris 2108 01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,820 one thing we do know is you know of 2109 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:06,000 course one of the most famous 2110 01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:08,530 postulations that von Daniken came up 2111 01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,680 with was the famous lid of the first 2112 01:29:18,600 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Sentinel is still holding strong my 2223 01:33:50,020 --> 01:34:02,459 [Music] 2224 01:34:06,250 --> 01:34:04,479 well we're not going to come down to 2225 01:34:08,350 --> 01:34:06,260 earth for a while because you're in the 2226 01:34:10,569 --> 01:34:08,360 para cast with Gene and Chris and Philip 2227 01:34:13,950 --> 01:34:10,579 coffins exploring ancient mysteries and 2228 01:34:17,259 --> 01:34:13,960 Chris was talking about another 2229 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:17,269 fascinating possibility Chris it 2230 01:34:22,089 --> 01:34:20,090 actually becomes a rather mundane back 2231 01:34:26,830 --> 01:34:22,099 in the late sixties early seventies when 2232 01:34:28,649 --> 01:34:26,840 von däniken really first hit it starts 2233 01:34:31,029 --> 01:34:28,659 selling millions of books I might add 2234 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:31,039 one of the things that I remember from 2235 01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:33,050 that time period of course I devoured 2236 01:34:37,509 --> 01:34:35,510 everything that he wrote early on and 2237 01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:37,519 the whole idea of the call on that 2238 01:34:42,609 --> 01:34:40,159 sarcophagus lid is his writing a rocket 2239 01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:42,619 up into the sky as I was saying before 2240 01:34:47,529 --> 01:34:44,960 the break at the time we hadn't 2241 01:34:50,410 --> 01:34:47,539 deciphered the Mayan glyphs the Mayan 2242 01:34:53,129 --> 01:34:50,420 language we only knew about 5% of the 2243 01:34:54,879 --> 01:34:53,139 language in the intervening years 2244 01:34:56,770 --> 01:34:54,889 archaeologists have pretty much 2245 01:34:58,989 --> 01:34:56,780 deciphered the entire mind lying 2246 01:35:01,029 --> 01:34:58,999 language but the exception of how to 2247 01:35:03,129 --> 01:35:01,039 pronounce the names of some of the gods 2248 01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:03,139 they haven't been able to figure out how 2249 01:35:07,839 --> 01:35:05,510 to pronounce all the T's and X's and 2250 01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:07,849 peas and elves but one thing that we do 2251 01:35:12,669 --> 01:35:10,130 know is every single bit of information 2252 01:35:14,589 --> 01:35:12,679 on that sarcophagus lid and it's not a 2253 01:35:17,140 --> 01:35:14,599 call riding a rocket ship up into the 2254 01:35:20,940 --> 01:35:17,150 sky he's actually sliding down the Tree 2255 01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:20,950 of Life into she bill by the mind under 2256 01:35:27,290 --> 01:35:22,900 and he's preparing to meet the wheats 2257 01:35:30,270 --> 01:35:27,300 monster and that is the conventional 2258 01:35:32,250 --> 01:35:30,280 wisdom in archaeology Linda Schiele and 2259 01:35:35,550 --> 01:35:32,260 her team did a magnificent job in the 2260 01:35:38,490 --> 01:35:35,560 80s of deciphering the language so in 2261 01:35:41,459 --> 01:35:38,500 one sense you're refuting academia is 2262 01:35:43,709 --> 01:35:41,469 refuting the interpretation by Vandana 2263 01:35:45,690 --> 01:35:43,719 can of McCall's lid but at the same time 2264 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:45,700 this is still being touted as evidence 2265 01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:48,850 of you know ancient Mayan being somehow 2266 01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:50,950 connected with the with the Stars and 2267 01:35:55,650 --> 01:35:52,960 possibly et where do you come down on 2268 01:35:59,010 --> 01:35:55,660 that well in my book I I go into that 2269 01:36:00,680 --> 01:35:59,020 and basically show that as one piece of 2270 01:36:03,630 --> 01:36:00,690 evidence where von Daniken has been 2271 01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:03,640 refuted in his in his speculation I 2272 01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:06,580 think it's always extremely dangerous 2273 01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:09,760 and you know this is not just something 2274 01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:13,450 to to to Eric's point but - everybody's 2275 01:36:18,780 --> 01:36:16,930 to interpret a a visual the Lord Pakal 2276 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:18,790 thing is probably the most famous of it 2277 01:36:23,970 --> 01:36:21,730 but it happens also in the in in the 2278 01:36:26,430 --> 01:36:23,980 temple complex of them there're I didn't 2279 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:26,440 put it in the book because it is it was 2280 01:36:31,890 --> 01:36:29,530 too complex to actually explain it but 2281 01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:31,900 it is on my website so a couple of come 2282 01:36:37,050 --> 01:36:35,500 if you want to go into it but in the 2283 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:37,060 Dinaric case there is this this 2284 01:36:45,060 --> 01:36:41,050 depiction in a chamber deep inside the 2285 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:45,070 complex seldom visited by people because 2286 01:36:50,459 --> 01:36:48,430 we need special permission of of people 2287 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:50,469 which seem to hold 2288 01:36:55,530 --> 01:36:53,650 giant light or light bulbs they do look 2289 01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,540 like light bulbs - and you know 2290 01:37:00,090 --> 01:36:58,000 absolutely they exactly do you like 2291 01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,100 giant light bulbs just like when you 2292 01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:02,800 turn Lord the cow's tombstone around 90 2293 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:04,960 degrees it looks as if he's riding a 2294 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:07,810 rocket ship but they're not light bulbs 2295 01:37:13,050 --> 01:37:10,930 they are and again it's actually too 2296 01:37:16,590 --> 01:37:13,060 complex to go into here but the aunt 2297 01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:16,600 conclusion of it is that this that this 2298 01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:19,930 chamber had to do with the preparation 2299 01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:22,239 of a sacred marriage ritual involving 2300 01:37:28,220 --> 01:37:25,600 the the resident deities some of whose 2301 01:37:31,979 --> 01:37:28,230 statues were held there and that this 2302 01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,989 that this depiction was one of I might 2303 01:37:34,649 --> 01:37:33,520 miss be mistaken with the number inside 2304 01:37:36,989 --> 01:37:34,659 of four or six 2305 01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:36,999 and when you put them all four or six in 2306 01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:39,249 the proper context you really have the 2307 01:37:44,909 --> 01:37:42,489 preparation of the statue for its sacred 2308 01:37:46,949 --> 01:37:44,919 marriage ritual which is about to be 2309 01:37:50,039 --> 01:37:46,959 performed so when you take things out of 2310 01:37:52,559 --> 01:37:50,049 context or if you're just impressed by 2311 01:37:54,929 --> 01:37:52,569 an image then you then you you know you 2312 01:37:57,299 --> 01:37:54,939 might you might get it wrong and it's 2313 01:37:59,819 --> 01:37:57,309 it's always dangerous to speculate there 2314 01:38:01,639 --> 01:37:59,829 but but again I oh I'm also the 2315 01:38:04,889 --> 01:38:01,649 conviction that an image alone 2316 01:38:08,669 --> 01:38:04,899 specifically when it comes to a drawing 2317 01:38:11,099 --> 01:38:08,679 rather than a photograph is is is you 2318 01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:11,109 know it cannot be there as the best 2319 01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:13,679 evidence it can be used as an indication 2320 01:38:19,559 --> 01:38:18,159 or a possibility but as soon as as you 2321 01:38:22,559 --> 01:38:19,569 were pointing out the text get 2322 01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:22,569 translated you will either be quickly 2323 01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:25,260 proven right or quickly be proven wrong 2324 01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:28,719 well another thing that uh that is in 2325 01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:31,689 terms of in enigmas historical visual 2326 01:38:38,219 --> 01:38:35,199 artifacts that are in my opinion most 2327 01:38:39,989 --> 01:38:38,229 enigmatic the piri Reis map which you 2328 01:38:43,020 --> 01:38:39,999 have a very very good reproduction of in 2329 01:38:45,389 --> 01:38:43,030 your book by the way that is to me one 2330 01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,399 of the strongest bits of evidence that 2331 01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:47,679 we have to push a case for some sort of 2332 01:38:54,389 --> 01:38:50,530 ability to see the planet's surface from 2333 01:38:55,829 --> 01:38:54,399 the air in an ancient time a before is 2334 01:38:57,949 --> 01:38:55,839 the possibility of any sort of flight 2335 01:39:01,949 --> 01:38:57,959 because as most of our listeners know 2336 01:39:03,509 --> 01:39:01,959 the map I think was comes from Turkey 2337 01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,519 it's probably a reproduction of another 2338 01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:06,159 map i you go over the the artifact very 2339 01:39:10,039 --> 01:39:07,689 well on your book by the way but it 2340 01:39:12,569 --> 01:39:10,049 shows the coastline of South America and 2341 01:39:15,089 --> 01:39:12,579 most importantly it shows the coastline 2342 01:39:17,099 --> 01:39:15,099 of Antarctica before it appeared to be 2343 01:39:19,169 --> 01:39:17,109 covered with ice where do you come down 2344 01:39:21,719 --> 01:39:19,179 on that that's that's in my mind one of 2345 01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:21,729 the best I think most enigmatic 2346 01:39:26,489 --> 01:39:24,280 artifacts that we have before you answer 2347 01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:26,499 Philip believe they are not major Donald 2348 01:39:32,189 --> 01:39:30,129 Kehoe when he was speculating about UFOs 2349 01:39:35,909 --> 01:39:32,199 coming from outer space that piri Reis 2350 01:39:39,029 --> 01:39:35,919 map was used as evidence of possible et 2351 01:39:42,809 --> 01:39:39,039 visitation and mapping many many many 2352 01:39:44,969 --> 01:39:42,819 years ago what's your take I you know 2353 01:39:47,009 --> 01:39:44,979 the writing that aspect of the piri Reis 2354 01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:47,019 map was extraordinarily difficult 2355 01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:48,530 because 2356 01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:51,810 the pyramid pyridine snap discussion 2357 01:39:56,060 --> 01:39:53,430 could have been come one of these things 2358 01:39:58,780 --> 01:39:56,070 which took over the entire book so I had 2359 01:40:02,210 --> 01:39:58,790 to try and reduce it into its proper 2360 01:40:04,580 --> 01:40:02,220 framework and I really took on board 2361 01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:04,590 everything which the proponents of the 2362 01:40:09,380 --> 01:40:06,690 piri Reis map for its anomalous origins 2363 01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:09,390 said and I also took on board whatever 2364 01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:11,040 what all the skeptics were saying 2365 01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:12,960 because again we are confronted with a 2366 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:13,530 drawing 2367 01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:15,530 we're not confronted with with you know 2368 01:40:22,190 --> 01:40:18,360 there's analysis involved an analysis by 2369 01:40:24,260 --> 01:40:22,200 default at is more subjective than some 2370 01:40:30,140 --> 01:40:24,270 other things then analysis by by 2371 01:40:32,780 --> 01:40:30,150 machinery for example but I the 2372 01:40:35,930 --> 01:40:32,790 indications to me are that at this 2373 01:40:38,990 --> 01:40:35,940 moment in time the apt the piri Reis map 2374 01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:39,000 and it's showing of the coastline of 2375 01:40:45,140 --> 01:40:41,070 South America and the coastline of 2376 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:45,150 Antarctica it seems to be on the side of 2377 01:40:50,150 --> 01:40:47,850 those proposing that this is indeed 2378 01:40:54,020 --> 01:40:50,160 showing those coastlines of South 2379 01:40:55,700 --> 01:40:54,030 America and the Antarctica now it's not 2380 01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:55,710 a battle which I consider to be 2381 01:41:02,810 --> 01:40:58,110 completely won for the for those 2382 01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:02,820 proponents again there is there is room 2383 01:41:08,770 --> 01:41:05,970 for interpretation but somebody really 2384 01:41:12,710 --> 01:41:08,780 needs to go into that piri Reis map 2385 01:41:16,900 --> 01:41:12,720 controversy with extraordinarily open 2386 01:41:19,790 --> 01:41:16,910 focus and extraordinary detail before a 2387 01:41:23,630 --> 01:41:19,800 rigid conclusion can be drawn and that 2388 01:41:27,110 --> 01:41:23,640 research hasn't happened right now when 2389 01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,120 and I've tried to were this basically I 2390 01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:29,520 lived for the best evidence which these 2391 01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:31,290 skeptics could throw at the piri Reis 2392 01:41:36,020 --> 01:41:34,140 map and it's full short you know they 2393 01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:36,030 haven't been able to to use their term 2394 01:41:43,450 --> 01:41:40,770 debunk it where is the official skeptic 2395 01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,460 explanation or is there more than one 2396 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:45,600 again there is more than one but 2397 01:41:50,210 --> 01:41:47,850 basically they are pointing out that 2398 01:41:51,500 --> 01:41:50,220 it's not as clear-cut as some of the 2399 01:41:54,260 --> 01:41:51,510 proponents of the pyramind 2400 01:41:55,970 --> 01:41:54,270 piri Reis map are saying they're they're 2401 01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:55,980 basically saying that there are still 2402 01:42:01,190 --> 01:41:59,100 sections missing from the South American 2403 01:42:03,050 --> 01:42:01,200 coastline even if you take everything on 2404 01:42:05,540 --> 01:42:03,060 board 2405 01:42:08,270 --> 01:42:05,550 there they're addressing some other 2406 01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:08,280 problems you know nobody is saying that 2407 01:42:11,689 --> 01:42:10,050 the period is actually what one I mean 2408 01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:11,699 that before I continue actually once one 2409 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:14,790 one fun comment was when somebody was 2410 01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:16,770 told that the piri Reis map you know 2411 01:42:19,850 --> 01:42:18,390 showed all of these things the only 2412 01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,860 thing he had to say was that well you 2413 01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,320 know in the following decades there were 2414 01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:24,719 better maps than the piri Reis map and 2415 01:42:28,910 --> 01:42:26,820 it's like that's not the point 2416 01:42:31,300 --> 01:42:28,920 you know it's like yesterday there are 2417 01:42:35,689 --> 01:42:31,310 better maps than than the piri Reis map 2418 01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:35,699 it's it's not at all the point but you 2419 01:42:39,740 --> 01:42:38,040 know the thing is that the Pamir eyes 2420 01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:39,750 map was good enough and it's clear 2421 01:42:46,540 --> 01:42:42,230 enough and it's pointing out enough 2422 01:42:50,689 --> 01:42:46,550 anomalies and basically the the lynchpin 2423 01:42:53,870 --> 01:42:50,699 the the critical piece of of evidence so 2424 01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:53,880 to speak is that the the certain section 2425 01:43:01,930 --> 01:42:57,540 of South America of the piri Reis map is 2426 01:43:05,300 --> 01:43:01,940 either precisely that and or it's 2427 01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:05,310 Antarctica and that is kind of like the 2428 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:08,190 winning race at this moment in time for 2429 01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:11,130 the proponents that period my period map 2430 01:43:16,580 --> 01:43:13,489 contains extraordinary information 2431 01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:16,590 because it is showing something it is 2432 01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:19,620 showing a coastline in detail and you 2433 01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:21,330 know it's it's not somebody's 2434 01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:23,940 imagination it's not somebody who just 2435 01:43:28,939 --> 01:43:26,730 drew lines because he didn't know what 2436 01:43:31,729 --> 01:43:28,949 was going on it's clearly based on 2437 01:43:34,850 --> 01:43:31,739 something and that is kind of like the 2438 01:43:38,510 --> 01:43:34,860 winning grace as to why really the 2439 01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:38,520 debunkers cannot be cannot be shown to 2440 01:43:43,490 --> 01:43:41,430 be to be right but again the piri Reis 2441 01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:43,500 map is a very tough one there's an awful 2442 01:43:49,130 --> 01:43:46,710 lot of analysis involved and there needs 2443 01:43:52,010 --> 01:43:49,140 to be done an extraordinary amount of of 2444 01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:52,020 analysis by somebody who's basically 2445 01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:53,940 willing to devote his entire his or her 2446 01:44:02,030 --> 01:43:58,560 entire life to it before we are going to 2447 01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:02,040 have a definitive analysis which you 2448 01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:04,650 know is is probably gonna be extremely 2449 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:07,710 controversial and in my opinion is going 2450 01:44:11,959 --> 01:44:10,530 to show that the likes of Hapgood and 2451 01:44:15,229 --> 01:44:11,969 other people who have always said that 2452 01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:15,239 this this map contained anomalies you 2453 01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:15,540 know it's 2454 01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,510 is going to I think show that that they 2455 01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:20,400 were right I'll tell you what right or 2456 01:44:33,419 --> 01:44:22,650 wrong we have Philip Coppins with gene 2457 01:44:39,660 --> 01:44:36,630 the GZ and Radio Network providing the 2458 01:44:43,950 --> 01:44:39,670 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 2459 01:44:45,570 --> 01:44:43,960 and great talk radio starts here hi this 2460 01:44:47,729 --> 01:44:45,580 is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen 2461 01:44:50,130 --> 01:44:47,739 to GCN programs on the goal I have great 2462 01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:50,140 news gzn has created a Droid and iPhone 2463 01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:52,150 application and it's free just as easy 2464 01:44:55,979 --> 01:44:54,250 as going to GC and live.com click on the 2465 01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:55,989 banner and download before you know it 2466 01:44:59,459 --> 01:44:57,250 you'll be listening to your favorite 2467 01:45:02,010 --> 01:44:59,469 hard-hitting GCN shows live around a man 2468 01:45:03,780 --> 01:45:02,020 right on your dryer iPhone 24/7 and on 2469 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:03,790 the go so download the droid an iPhone 2470 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2484 01:45:29,010 --> 01:45:27,340 placing a free silver dollar in a book 2485 01:45:32,130 --> 01:45:29,020 that explains our monetary system call 2486 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:32,140 for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time 2487 01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:35,050 to understand the system call 866 to 237 2488 01:45:44,850 --> 01:45:38,050 that's 800 6 8 6 2 2 3 7 2489 01:45:53,670 --> 01:45:48,820 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2490 01:46:01,240 --> 01:45:53,680 standard of paranormal radio and now 2491 01:46:03,340 --> 01:46:01,250 here's Jane Steinberg in our final hour 2492 01:46:05,530 --> 01:46:03,350 of the show with Phillip Coppins talking 2493 01:46:09,310 --> 01:46:05,540 about ancient mysteries possible ancient 2494 01:46:12,130 --> 01:46:09,320 astronauts now this particular map do we 2495 01:46:15,550 --> 01:46:12,140 think it's based on older maps source 2496 01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:15,560 material can we take it back to earlier 2497 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:18,110 maps and may show so called anomalies 2498 01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:22,010 Phillip yes basically again further 2499 01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:24,260 detail needs to happen but it is clear 2500 01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:26,810 that one of the maps used used a 2501 01:46:32,380 --> 01:46:29,450 projection of the world based on 2502 01:46:36,490 --> 01:46:32,390 Alexandria and then to cut long story 2503 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:36,500 short basically the the not a consensus 2504 01:46:41,740 --> 01:46:39,170 view but the general view is that what 2505 01:46:45,580 --> 01:46:41,750 was likely happening was that some of 2506 01:46:47,650 --> 01:46:45,590 these maps were taken from from 2507 01:46:50,740 --> 01:46:47,660 Alexandra maybe even as far back as the 2508 01:46:54,460 --> 01:46:50,750 Alexandrian library so some of this 2509 01:46:56,860 --> 01:46:54,470 thing clearly says that there were 2510 01:47:01,120 --> 01:46:56,870 ancient maps which pee-wee rice used in 2511 01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:01,130 the creation of this dis map 2512 01:47:06,220 --> 01:47:04,310 but where these map precisely came from 2513 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:06,230 some of them have been identified but 2514 01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:07,370 others have not 2515 01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:09,560 we know that stuff from the Alexandria 2516 01:47:14,620 --> 01:47:12,560 library was basically came about again 2517 01:47:19,420 --> 01:47:14,630 in Renaissance time specifically in 2518 01:47:21,340 --> 01:47:19,430 Florence Venice Venice and people who 2519 01:47:23,650 --> 01:47:21,350 were sponsoring an awful lot of the 2520 01:47:26,260 --> 01:47:23,660 expeditions to the new world can also be 2521 01:47:28,750 --> 01:47:26,270 traced back to to Florence and Venice 2522 01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:28,760 Amerigo Vespucci for example is a child 2523 01:47:33,550 --> 01:47:31,130 of Florence there is definite evidence 2524 01:47:36,370 --> 01:47:33,560 to take it back to Alexandria but then 2525 01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:36,380 once you reach Alexandra Alexandra you 2526 01:47:40,540 --> 01:47:38,450 come with the problem of you know where 2527 01:47:43,930 --> 01:47:40,550 do we go from here now another question 2528 01:47:46,540 --> 01:47:43,940 is still even if everything is correct 2529 01:47:49,900 --> 01:47:46,550 this is something that may have required 2530 01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:49,910 some kind of aerial travel to do this 2531 01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:52,730 mapping did we do it or did ET help us 2532 01:47:57,399 --> 01:47:55,130 well again at this moment in time you 2533 01:47:59,560 --> 01:47:57,409 know if we were flying to map that 2534 01:48:01,629 --> 01:47:59,570 again to cut a long story short it is 2535 01:48:04,540 --> 01:48:01,639 believed that the kind of projection 2536 01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:04,550 involved and the accuracy of Antarctica 2537 01:48:09,370 --> 01:48:06,530 some people say that it requires 2538 01:48:11,410 --> 01:48:09,380 satellite technology I have seen 2539 01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:11,420 discussions which collect show that it's 2540 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:14,330 not that accurate but it is it's quite 2541 01:48:19,870 --> 01:48:17,290 accurate and basically it's a moot point 2542 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:19,880 either there was satellite technology 2543 01:48:24,490 --> 01:48:21,770 flying around the earth in the last 2544 01:48:27,340 --> 01:48:24,500 12,000 years and somehow that satellite 2545 01:48:29,379 --> 01:48:27,350 photograph was made into a map and then 2546 01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:29,389 given to somebody and then given to piri 2547 01:48:36,490 --> 01:48:33,050 Rice or somebody had drawn a map of 2548 01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:36,500 Antarctica more than ten twelve thousand 2549 01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:39,350 years ago when that shoreline was not 2550 01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:43,250 covered with so much ice and so the two 2551 01:48:50,590 --> 01:48:47,150 possibilities again push it far back to 2552 01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:50,600 a civilization which you know was was 2553 01:48:55,180 --> 01:48:52,850 very far advanced now in the case of of 2554 01:48:57,729 --> 01:48:55,190 the piri Reis map the the evidence of a 2555 01:49:02,140 --> 01:48:57,739 lost civilization cannot be as easily 2556 01:49:04,330 --> 01:49:02,150 excluded as that the debate about the 2557 01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:04,340 piri Rice will always Center and again 2558 01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,110 this is something which is going to be 2559 01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,480 an awful long time in the future unless 2560 01:49:11,860 --> 01:49:10,639 somebody has been studying it for a very 2561 01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:11,870 long period of time and hasn't gone 2562 01:49:15,729 --> 01:49:14,090 public with it if the assumption is that 2563 01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:15,739 it required some form of satellite 2564 01:49:20,860 --> 01:49:18,170 technology then from everything which we 2565 01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:20,870 know about civilization even lost 2566 01:49:26,410 --> 01:49:23,449 civilizations the evidence clearly 2567 01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:26,420 suggests that a satellite photograph or 2568 01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:28,250 satellite imagery was outside of the 2569 01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:31,130 realm of these lost civilizations now 2570 01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:32,719 that's the question I want to ask you 2571 01:49:35,919 --> 01:49:34,070 here because we're down to the last 2572 01:49:36,879 --> 01:49:35,929 three and a half segments of the show to 2573 01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:36,889 put it all together 2574 01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:39,590 is it possible here to consider this 2575 01:49:45,610 --> 01:49:42,170 what if our civilization ended tomorrow 2576 01:49:48,370 --> 01:49:45,620 for whatever reason and now we assume 2577 01:49:50,530 --> 01:49:48,380 some primitive form of humans do survive 2578 01:49:52,750 --> 01:49:50,540 but our major parts of our civilization 2579 01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:52,760 are gone what's it gonna look like ten 2580 01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:53,840 thousand years from now 2581 01:49:57,790 --> 01:49:55,190 well it's something which I'll put in 2582 01:50:00,640 --> 01:49:57,800 the opening of the book because we went 2583 01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:00,650 to the moon we went to the moon on a 2584 01:50:06,550 --> 01:50:02,690 number of occasions and then we stopped 2585 01:50:08,740 --> 01:50:06,560 going four years later what we're having 2586 01:50:11,250 --> 01:50:08,750 right now is that there are people who 2587 01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:11,260 are basically saying that we never went 2588 01:50:16,590 --> 01:50:15,250 at all so there is this controversy that 2589 01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:16,600 we might never have gone to the moon 2590 01:50:21,810 --> 01:50:19,210 anyway and this is 40 years in imagine 2591 01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:21,820 500 years from now even if civilization 2592 01:50:27,450 --> 01:50:24,880 is is you know not gonna drop that if 2593 01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:27,460 some of our books survive from this day 2594 01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:30,550 and it happens to be the dark moon or 2595 01:50:35,790 --> 01:50:34,000 some of Richard Hoagland books then you 2596 01:50:38,340 --> 01:50:35,800 know we're gonna be confronted with the 2597 01:50:39,690 --> 01:50:38,350 possibility that people in our future 2598 01:50:41,820 --> 01:50:39,700 are going to believe that we never went 2599 01:50:45,390 --> 01:50:41,830 to the moon parenthetically do you 2600 01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:45,400 believe Richard Hoagland no okay just 2601 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:49,450 asking go ahead and so here we are and 2602 01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:53,170 so here we are with the we with this 2603 01:50:59,400 --> 01:50:56,050 weird conception that we might go down 2604 01:51:01,050 --> 01:50:59,410 into history as a civilization where our 2605 01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:01,060 ancestors will say they never went to 2606 01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:02,590 dinner there is no evidence for this and 2607 01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:04,480 they would be right because I don't 2608 01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:06,160 think anything which is on Cape 2609 01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:09,070 Canaveral is built in such a way that it 2610 01:51:13,140 --> 01:51:11,260 is going to survive 5,000 years in fact 2611 01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:13,150 you know it's built on a piece of land 2612 01:51:18,410 --> 01:51:16,150 which with a giant wave could destroy 2613 01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:18,420 pretty much everything and and the real 2614 01:51:25,250 --> 01:51:21,730 capability of Cape Canaveral the booster 2615 01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:25,260 the real launch platforms are almost all 2616 01:51:31,290 --> 01:51:28,780 mackerel so you know five hundred 2617 01:51:32,729 --> 01:51:31,300 thousand five thousand years from now we 2618 01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:32,739 might be confronted with no evidence 2619 01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:36,010 whatsoever that we in 1969 went to the 2620 01:51:38,910 --> 01:51:36,400 moon 2621 01:51:41,820 --> 01:51:38,920 and that there is controversial evidence 2622 01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:41,830 which might have survived five thousand 2623 01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:44,110 years which says that even in our own 2624 01:51:48,060 --> 01:51:46,210 time there was debate about whether or 2625 01:51:50,430 --> 01:51:48,070 not we went to the moon and this is the 2626 01:51:54,450 --> 01:51:50,440 same attitude this disk at this ism 2627 01:51:57,390 --> 01:51:54,460 which is giving itself over as to you 2628 01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:57,400 know why did why did our ancestors ever 2629 01:52:04,080 --> 01:51:59,650 have this kind of contact 2630 01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:04,090 it is scepticism because we are debating 2631 01:52:06,630 --> 01:52:05,489 what our ancestors were saying 2632 01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,640 themselves 2633 01:52:11,550 --> 01:52:09,040 our ancestors were you know quite 2634 01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:11,560 homogeneous about the fact that we did 2635 01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:14,710 go that we had also know that we did go 2636 01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:18,239 that we have contact with non-human 2637 01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:21,250 intelligences and I think what we need 2638 01:52:27,470 --> 01:52:25,000 to have for the sake of you 2639 01:52:30,690 --> 01:52:27,480 not just for the ancient alien theory 2640 01:52:33,180 --> 01:52:30,700 but for the sake of humanity is more 2641 01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:33,190 acceptance that you know people what 2642 01:52:38,820 --> 01:52:34,930 they're saying is what they're saying 2643 01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:38,830 that not everybody is always lying this 2644 01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:41,890 is something which which is becoming in 2645 01:52:48,420 --> 01:52:45,040 bread in our in our society and it's 2646 01:52:51,210 --> 01:52:48,430 it's up helping us in any way or shape 2647 01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:51,220 we should be we should be critical we 2648 01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:53,770 should be rational we should be to some 2649 01:53:00,590 --> 01:52:56,320 extent the devil's advocate but those 2650 01:53:03,060 --> 01:53:00,600 three should never mask or be you know 2651 01:53:06,030 --> 01:53:03,070 basically be be an excuse to be 2652 01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:06,040 skeptical that is not serving that is 2653 01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:09,610 not serving anybody we have a number of 2654 01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:11,290 questions few questions from our 2655 01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:13,120 listeners because we kind of look this 2656 01:53:18,090 --> 01:53:16,930 too late to get a big response both 2657 01:53:20,730 --> 01:53:18,100 Chris you have a couple of questions 2658 01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:20,740 from our listeners about Philip yeah I 2659 01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:24,400 do I do and there's a good one from one 2660 01:53:28,980 --> 01:53:27,070 of our latest you know new members from 2661 01:53:32,580 --> 01:53:28,990 the forum here at the Peres cast comm 2662 01:53:35,700 --> 01:53:32,590 and it's from a guy calling himself $6 2663 01:53:38,910 --> 01:53:35,710 man I'm not sure what that means but 2664 01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:38,920 like a $6 burger from Carl's jr. huh 2665 01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:41,590 well I think maybe it's a Six Million 2666 01:53:47,340 --> 01:53:44,560 Dollar Man sort of a play on that but in 2667 01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:47,350 regarding megalithic architecture Philip 2668 01:53:52,350 --> 01:53:50,110 what about appoints necessarily to ETS 2669 01:53:54,630 --> 01:53:52,360 much has been said of the precision fit 2670 01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,640 of stones and ancient buildings and you 2671 01:53:59,490 --> 01:53:56,320 know like in Peru as we were discussing 2672 01:54:01,500 --> 01:53:59,500 earlier and he's curious whether anyone 2673 01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:01,510 has ever cut open one of these large 2674 01:54:06,450 --> 01:54:04,480 megalithic blocks to look for hints that 2675 01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:06,460 the stone was somehow deformed whether 2676 01:54:13,020 --> 01:54:09,060 by acid sound heat or something else 2677 01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:13,030 sometime after its initial formation he 2678 01:54:16,940 --> 01:54:14,740 gives the example of like an anomaly 2679 01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:16,950 anomalous strata or grain and set a 2680 01:54:21,060 --> 01:54:19,450 sedimentary stone or oddly oriented 2681 01:54:22,710 --> 01:54:21,070 crystals or magnetic particles that 2682 01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:22,720 wouldn't exist under normal conditions 2683 01:54:28,890 --> 01:54:25,890 of rock formation as any sort of 2684 01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:28,900 geophysical work like that been done do 2685 01:54:34,500 --> 01:54:31,800 you know the short answer is no but 2686 01:54:36,990 --> 01:54:34,510 obviously on some occasions these stones 2687 01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:37,000 have collapsed and people have looked 2688 01:54:41,930 --> 01:54:38,910 into them and 2689 01:54:44,930 --> 01:54:41,940 you know from a visual analysis or an 2690 01:54:47,090 --> 01:54:44,940 early exploration of them nobody has has 2691 01:54:49,970 --> 01:54:47,100 done anything further with that really 2692 01:54:51,650 --> 01:54:49,980 the the technology there is is very much 2693 01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:51,660 that you know these people were building 2694 01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:53,490 these stones in a way that they realized 2695 01:54:57,710 --> 01:54:55,770 that they were more resistant to to 2696 01:54:59,570 --> 01:54:57,720 earthquakes and they were clearly aware 2697 01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:59,580 that's hitting them all together was 2698 01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:01,380 going to be an extremely difficult task 2699 01:55:06,020 --> 01:55:04,410 but which they were able to pull off 2700 01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,030 when you say that I kind of think we 2701 01:55:09,890 --> 01:55:07,920 should get the information to Governor 2702 01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:09,900 Brown of California just in case the big 2703 01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,030 one 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01:59:54,750 --> 01:59:50,050 send it to news at the para cast com 2815 01:59:57,090 --> 01:59:54,760 that's news at the para cast dot-com and 2816 02:00:00,180 --> 01:59:57,100 if you'd like to catch up on past 2817 02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:00,190 episodes we have hundreds of shows for 2818 02:00:04,979 --> 02:00:03,250 you to download direct from the para 2819 02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:04,989 cast com 2820 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:10,090 that's the para cast dot-com or check us 2821 02:00:16,890 --> 02:00:14,890 out at iTunes with gene and Chris and 2822 02:00:19,290 --> 02:00:16,900 the para cast exploring ancient 2823 02:00:21,690 --> 02:00:19,300 mysteries ancient civilizations ancient 2824 02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:21,700 astronauts whatever with full of coffins 2825 02:00:27,990 --> 02:00:25,090 the answer you were giving about this 2826 02:00:29,970 --> 02:00:28,000 more brazilian method of constructions 2827 02:00:31,260 --> 02:00:29,980 you have any further to add before we go 2828 02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:31,270 on nope 2829 02:00:36,959 --> 02:00:34,000 Chris another question or two I do I 2830 02:00:41,310 --> 02:00:36,969 have another one and this is from OC's 2831 02:00:44,850 --> 02:00:41,320 dead beef he's also a fairly new forum 2832 02:00:49,250 --> 02:00:44,860 member what is that name again I hope I 2833 02:00:53,850 --> 02:00:52,440 what is your forum have very weird names 2834 02:00:55,970 --> 02:00:53,860 and why are people on your forum not 2835 02:01:02,940 --> 02:00:55,980 just known as Mike or Jeff and Chris 2836 02:01:05,459 --> 02:01:02,950 well we do have a few but I'm trying to 2837 02:01:07,229 --> 02:01:05,469 give these people a shout out well you 2838 02:01:10,590 --> 02:01:07,239 have to live with that forum for five 2839 02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:10,600 and a half years yeah one of the reasons 2840 02:01:15,300 --> 02:01:12,010 Phillip is because we have a lot of 2841 02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:15,310 scientists people with sensitive jobs 2842 02:01:19,979 --> 02:01:17,410 and lives that wouldn't necessarily be 2843 02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:19,989 served by getting busted by someone 2844 02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:23,050 doing a you know a name check on and 2845 02:01:27,690 --> 02:01:25,330 then finding them on a paranormal forum 2846 02:01:29,850 --> 02:01:27,700 board that's one of the main reasons why 2847 02:01:33,390 --> 02:01:29,860 a lot of people we do have a very very 2848 02:01:36,390 --> 02:01:33,400 very bright set of posters on our on our 2849 02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:36,400 forum some that just I mean they're too 2850 02:01:40,020 --> 02:01:38,020 smart for their own good but this is a 2851 02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:40,030 really interesting question and this is 2852 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:41,920 something that you kind of hint around 2853 02:01:46,220 --> 02:01:43,690 at in your book there towards the end I 2854 02:01:50,459 --> 02:01:46,230 think it's a second last chapter about 2855 02:01:51,779 --> 02:01:50,469 DNA and genetics and the question is 2856 02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:51,789 regarding the idea 2857 02:01:56,609 --> 02:01:53,710 the earlier ancient man was genetically 2858 02:01:58,680 --> 02:01:56,619 manipulated by an outside force of 2859 02:02:01,500 --> 02:01:58,690 whatever et's middle-earth man bog 2860 02:02:03,029 --> 02:02:01,510 monsters from the moon etc what new 2861 02:02:05,339 --> 02:02:03,039 developments or discoveries have been 2862 02:02:07,950 --> 02:02:05,349 made during the last few years to 2863 02:02:10,140 --> 02:02:07,960 indicate or support the idea that the 2864 02:02:12,629 --> 02:02:10,150 human genome was tampered with that's 2865 02:02:14,609 --> 02:02:12,639 question one some sort of artificial 2866 02:02:16,910 --> 02:02:14,619 marker or other abnormalities that would 2867 02:02:19,529 --> 02:02:16,920 indicate outside influences or something 2868 02:02:22,379 --> 02:02:19,539 the rest of the species on this planet 2869 02:02:24,509 --> 02:02:22,389 share or we lack or we have and they 2870 02:02:26,189 --> 02:02:24,519 lack perhaps in other words he's saying 2871 02:02:27,899 --> 02:02:26,199 I know that most species on earth share 2872 02:02:30,089 --> 02:02:27,909 90 percent or something like that of the 2873 02:02:32,189 --> 02:02:30,099 same genetic structure was just a few 2874 02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:32,199 tweaks with differences to make diverse 2875 02:02:37,049 --> 02:02:34,210 rain the diverse range of species that 2876 02:02:38,370 --> 02:02:37,059 we see so he's going off the assumption 2877 02:02:40,140 --> 02:02:38,380 that now with the mapping of the human 2878 02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:40,150 genome complete and thousands of 2879 02:02:44,160 --> 02:02:41,920 scientists and biotech labs studying 2880 02:02:46,799 --> 02:02:44,170 these gene sequence every day looking 2881 02:02:50,370 --> 02:02:46,809 for hidden gems that they can patent or 2882 02:02:52,529 --> 02:02:50,380 sell off and he uses an expletive after 2883 02:02:54,839 --> 02:02:52,539 that perhaps something newer interesting 2884 02:02:57,180 --> 02:02:54,849 has surfaced recently now you mentioned 2885 02:02:59,189 --> 02:02:57,190 in your book and you go into some some 2886 02:03:02,279 --> 02:02:59,199 pretty good detail about the marsh or 2887 02:03:06,029 --> 02:03:02,289 the Martian meteorites we had dr. John 2888 02:03:08,279 --> 02:03:06,039 Brandenburg on the show who also was 2889 02:03:10,850 --> 02:03:08,289 fascinating some of the information that 2890 02:03:13,259 --> 02:03:10,860 he's gleaned over the years he even 2891 02:03:14,580 --> 02:03:13,269 suggested that the Precambrian explosion 2892 02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:14,590 of life on this planet may have been 2893 02:03:19,439 --> 02:03:17,440 seeded by Mars what to your knowledge 2894 02:03:21,569 --> 02:03:19,449 have there been any new revelations here 2895 02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:21,579 in the past few years that that may 2896 02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:23,409 suggest the jump start in human 2897 02:03:26,910 --> 02:03:25,840 evolution let's say of course you know 2898 02:03:29,609 --> 02:03:26,920 the whole zecharia sitchin 2899 02:03:34,319 --> 02:03:29,619 tinkerine by Enki and Enlil comes to 2900 02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:34,329 mind in his his particular take on it do 2901 02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:36,130 you know of any recent developments in 2902 02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:38,590 genetics that might suggest we have some 2903 02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,719 hidden markers or something or I mean 2904 02:03:44,689 --> 02:03:42,880 first of all the decision thing is is 2905 02:03:47,459 --> 02:03:44,699 something which I hold very little 2906 02:03:49,470 --> 02:03:47,469 credibility or credulity out for the 2907 02:03:51,959 --> 02:03:49,480 answer is voice you even go to that 2908 02:03:54,270 --> 02:03:51,969 answer why do you give such and very 2909 02:03:58,020 --> 02:03:54,280 little credibility because basically in 2910 02:04:01,439 --> 02:03:58,030 the book I I show that he was very 2911 02:04:04,020 --> 02:04:01,449 selective when he sometimes cited 2912 02:04:05,579 --> 02:04:04,030 sources and also that he was wrong on 2913 02:04:08,399 --> 02:04:05,589 some extraordinarily big 2914 02:04:10,979 --> 02:04:08,409 which for years he didn't address his 2915 02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:10,989 skeptics add to things if you want me to 2916 02:04:15,809 --> 02:04:13,119 go on say I'd like to before you 2917 02:04:17,759 --> 02:04:15,819 continue with the answer yes okay so one 2918 02:04:20,369 --> 02:04:17,769 thing is that Sitchin basically says 2919 02:04:22,669 --> 02:04:20,379 that he could translate certainly 2920 02:04:26,179 --> 02:04:22,679 Sumerian words correctly whereas 2921 02:04:28,250 --> 02:04:26,189 scientists had missed translated these 2922 02:04:31,139 --> 02:04:28,260 precisely it's not a problem of 2923 02:04:35,159 --> 02:04:31,149 mistranslation the Sumerians had a 2924 02:04:37,649 --> 02:04:35,169 lexicon and so they defined mu and sham 2925 02:04:40,290 --> 02:04:37,659 and all of these words in a certain way 2926 02:04:43,649 --> 02:04:40,300 the definition which they give to their 2927 02:04:46,109 --> 02:04:43,659 own words is not what Sitchin says they 2928 02:04:48,299 --> 02:04:46,119 are these are not spacecraft in the 2929 02:04:50,729 --> 02:04:48,309 Sumerian lexicon we have that still at 2930 02:04:52,679 --> 02:04:50,739 our disposal so it's not a problem of 2931 02:04:55,559 --> 02:04:52,689 translation and but the one thing which 2932 02:04:58,589 --> 02:04:55,569 really made me lose all respect for 2933 02:05:01,290 --> 02:04:58,599 Sitchin was when Sitchin is very hard on 2934 02:05:04,290 --> 02:05:01,300 sources he's really hard to track down 2935 02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:04,300 he doesn't like food noting things but I 2936 02:05:08,549 --> 02:05:06,249 was lucky in one sense because I was 2937 02:05:10,829 --> 02:05:08,559 intrigued I knew I was looking for the 2938 02:05:13,349 --> 02:05:10,839 best evidence and one of the best 2939 02:05:16,500 --> 02:05:13,359 evidences which he uses for his thing is 2940 02:05:20,969 --> 02:05:16,510 is basically in the scene I desert there 2941 02:05:23,729 --> 02:05:20,979 is glass and this glass does seem to 2942 02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:23,739 suggest to be the result of exposure to 2943 02:05:30,329 --> 02:05:27,609 extremely high heat so his thing was 2944 02:05:33,569 --> 02:05:30,339 that in his timeline in his storyline 2945 02:05:37,379 --> 02:05:33,579 this glass was the result of nuclear 2946 02:05:39,989 --> 02:05:37,389 warfare done by extraterrestrial beings 2947 02:05:42,270 --> 02:05:39,999 well for a number of books this was just 2948 02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:42,280 a standalone subject and then he wrote a 2949 02:05:47,609 --> 02:05:44,530 book which basically said that now 2950 02:05:49,889 --> 02:05:47,619 scientists were agreeing with him and 2951 02:05:53,099 --> 02:05:49,899 that there had been one report by a 2952 02:05:54,929 --> 02:05:53,109 scientist which indeed said that he had 2953 02:05:57,569 --> 02:05:54,939 explored all the possibilities to this 2954 02:05:59,040 --> 02:05:57,579 glass and that it had that it was indeed 2955 02:06:00,750 --> 02:05:59,050 of an unknown origin 2956 02:06:02,279 --> 02:06:00,760 so Sitchin was saying well you know this 2957 02:06:04,290 --> 02:06:02,289 scientist has explored all terrestrial 2958 02:06:07,169 --> 02:06:04,300 possibility is the unknown origin 2959 02:06:10,339 --> 02:06:07,179 therefore has to be what I have been 2960 02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:10,349 saying all along which is that it is et 2961 02:06:17,929 --> 02:06:15,249 well fortunately if gold is out there he 2962 02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:17,939 was helping me on this search because 2963 02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:19,690 Google is now such a 2964 02:06:24,030 --> 02:06:22,210 fantastic - and this scientific 2965 02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,040 publication was actually not protected 2966 02:06:28,380 --> 02:06:26,320 by you know these scientific journals 2967 02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:28,390 firewalls things and it was freely 2968 02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:29,890 accessible on the Internet which is how 2969 02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:31,930 Google found it and so when I started 2970 02:06:37,860 --> 02:06:34,210 doing my initial Google searches it came 2971 02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:37,870 up quickly and I could identify Sitchin 2972 02:06:42,959 --> 02:06:40,060 source which I then was able to prove 2973 02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:42,969 was indeed his source in short in the 2974 02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:45,670 very abstract of this scientific paper 2975 02:06:52,830 --> 02:06:50,050 the person writing it says that the 2976 02:06:55,950 --> 02:06:52,840 glass is the result of a volcanic 2977 02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:55,960 eruption what he is unknown about is the 2978 02:06:59,490 --> 02:06:56,980 fact that there were two or three 2979 02:07:02,040 --> 02:06:59,500 potential volcanic eruptions and he 2980 02:07:04,620 --> 02:07:02,050 cannot identify which of these three 2981 02:07:07,290 --> 02:07:04,630 volcanic eruptions specifically was 2982 02:07:09,330 --> 02:07:07,300 responsible for the glass in the scene 2983 02:07:11,790 --> 02:07:09,340 ie desert you know this is in this in 2984 02:07:14,430 --> 02:07:11,800 the abstract of the scientific paper 2985 02:07:17,939 --> 02:07:14,440 Sitchin is quoting from this abstract 2986 02:07:19,950 --> 02:07:17,949 left right and center and he either did 2987 02:07:22,229 --> 02:07:19,960 not see the word volcanic eruption in 2988 02:07:26,340 --> 02:07:22,239 which case he needed a pair of reading 2989 02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:26,350 glasses or he specifically intentionally 2990 02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:29,890 distorted this the scientific paper to 2991 02:07:34,830 --> 02:07:31,810 suit his own needs you know mister 2992 02:07:37,170 --> 02:07:34,840 Sitchin is that and I will leave it at 2993 02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:37,180 the fact that he's simply wrong as to 2994 02:07:42,060 --> 02:07:40,239 how he is wrong you know it doesn't 2995 02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:42,070 matter that much but basically he is 2996 02:07:48,420 --> 02:07:46,560 wrong and the way his theories are built 2997 02:07:50,459 --> 02:07:48,430 fortunately or unfortunately depending 2998 02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:50,469 on whether you're a supporter or an 2999 02:07:55,620 --> 02:07:53,770 opponent of him basically what because 3000 02:07:57,330 --> 02:07:55,630 his theories are so intricate and each 3001 02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:57,340 bit of evidence builds upon the other 3002 02:08:01,890 --> 02:07:58,719 bit of evidence to arrive at an even 3003 02:08:03,930 --> 02:08:01,900 bigger theory well when you destroy some 3004 02:08:06,150 --> 02:08:03,940 of the pieces of this buildup of 3005 02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:06,160 evidence this pyramid of evidence his 3006 02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:09,610 entire series comes to collect house of 3007 02:08:14,370 --> 02:08:11,650 cards the house of cards therefore falls 3008 02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:14,380 apart Jerry heekin right yeah I'll tell 3009 02:08:17,729 --> 02:08:15,610 you what you were going to start a 3010 02:08:20,070 --> 02:08:17,739 longer answer and I interrupted you I'm 3011 02:08:22,770 --> 02:08:20,080 glad I did because 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3123 02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:55,429 with Jeannie and Chris and the para cast 3124 02:13:00,160 --> 02:12:57,530 we explore those ancient mysteries and 3125 02:13:02,290 --> 02:13:00,170 as you see with Philip Coppins he 3126 02:13:04,479 --> 02:13:02,300 doesn't accept everything out there he's 3127 02:13:06,520 --> 02:13:04,489 skeptical about various things for 3128 02:13:09,009 --> 02:13:06,530 various reasons so you started on a long 3129 02:13:11,500 --> 02:13:09,019 answer I interrupted you how about 3130 02:13:13,449 --> 02:13:11,510 picking up on the original question what 3131 02:13:16,929 --> 02:13:13,459 was the original question again we were 3132 02:13:21,009 --> 02:13:16,939 talking about evidence of genetic 3133 02:13:24,189 --> 02:13:21,019 tampering in the genome oh yes so the 3134 02:13:26,890 --> 02:13:24,199 short answer is no however in recent 3135 02:13:30,819 --> 02:13:26,900 months Paul Davis of the Arizona State 3136 02:13:34,029 --> 02:13:30,829 University has written a scientific 3137 02:13:35,649 --> 02:13:34,039 paper in act of Stroh nautical in which 3138 02:13:38,379 --> 02:13:35,659 he's basically saying that we should 3139 02:13:41,560 --> 02:13:38,389 stop looking for evidence of alien life 3140 02:13:44,259 --> 02:13:41,570 on this planet now it is his conviction 3141 02:13:46,569 --> 02:13:44,269 in this paper that this footprint as he 3142 02:13:48,910 --> 02:13:46,579 calls is this alien footprint I will not 3143 02:13:52,089 --> 02:13:48,920 be found within the ni code again human 3144 02:13:54,819 --> 02:13:52,099 habitation on planet Earth so he's 3145 02:13:56,319 --> 02:13:54,829 basically saying that et might have been 3146 02:13:58,479 --> 02:13:56,329 here but then it happens millions of 3147 02:14:01,779 --> 02:13:58,489 years ago it's not 800 of millions if 3148 02:14:05,140 --> 02:14:01,789 not billions of years ago but actually 3149 02:14:07,899 --> 02:14:05,150 feel that mr. Davis ISM has been 3150 02:14:10,540 --> 02:14:07,909 subjected to some kind of Sitchin I 3151 02:14:12,370 --> 02:14:10,550 thinking as well and in my most recent 3152 02:14:14,620 --> 02:14:12,380 update on my own website there's 3153 02:14:17,589 --> 02:14:14,630 actually discussion of of Paul Davis's 3154 02:14:19,509 --> 02:14:17,599 research but he is proposing to science 3155 02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:19,519 that we should indeed start to look at 3156 02:14:24,429 --> 02:14:22,249 our DNA and this is going to be a very 3157 02:14:26,429 --> 02:14:24,439 big task so basically the SETI at home 3158 02:14:28,689 --> 02:14:26,439 project which NASA did he said 3159 02:14:30,399 --> 02:14:28,699 suggesting that we're going to do the 3160 02:14:33,819 --> 02:14:30,409 same thing with the naso that somebody 3161 02:14:36,609 --> 02:14:33,829 is is basically going to create a 3162 02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:36,619 software that in computer down time you 3163 02:14:40,810 --> 02:14:38,239 know we're also going to look at all of 3164 02:14:42,459 --> 02:14:40,820 this evidence and help us find whether 3165 02:14:46,120 --> 02:14:42,469 or not there is something within the 3166 02:14:49,750 --> 02:14:46,130 genetic material DNA or otherwise which 3167 02:14:52,779 --> 02:14:49,760 might show that we have been interfered 3168 02:14:55,569 --> 02:14:52,789 with or as he is suggesting 3169 02:14:57,369 --> 02:14:55,579 message in a bottle and basically he's 3170 02:15:00,000 --> 02:14:57,379 suggesting that there might actually be 3171 02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:00,010 something in our genetic record 3172 02:15:06,099 --> 02:15:04,010 suggesting that you know it's like et 3173 02:15:08,409 --> 02:15:06,109 has left a message in there which 3174 02:15:10,779 --> 02:15:08,419 hopefully we can read now now that also 3175 02:15:13,089 --> 02:15:10,789 raises a bigger question and I want to 3176 02:15:17,139 --> 02:15:13,099 go into it before we go further 3177 02:15:18,789 --> 02:15:17,149 why would ET embed that message it seems 3178 02:15:21,069 --> 02:15:18,799 a strange way to communicate although I 3179 02:15:22,989 --> 02:15:21,079 guess I can't figure out alien logic 3180 02:15:26,109 --> 02:15:22,999 would it also be fair to say well maybe 3181 02:15:27,699 --> 02:15:26,119 we are part eighty in a sense that we 3182 02:15:30,969 --> 02:15:27,709 carry some of their genetic material 3183 02:15:33,009 --> 02:15:30,979 well as to why et would do that um you 3184 02:15:36,520 --> 02:15:33,019 know you would need to address that with 3185 02:15:39,099 --> 02:15:36,530 mr. Davis where Ryuji already T well we 3186 02:15:41,529 --> 02:15:39,109 both you know two interviews for the for 3187 02:15:43,719 --> 02:15:41,539 one and the one thing about the alien 3188 02:15:45,549 --> 02:15:43,729 DNA thing which I do in my book is is 3189 02:15:48,369 --> 02:15:45,559 basically that the current consensus of 3190 02:15:51,369 --> 02:15:48,379 science astrobiologists specifically is 3191 02:15:53,379 --> 02:15:51,379 that more than likely life did originate 3192 02:15:55,509 --> 02:15:53,389 not on this planet but outside in the 3193 02:15:57,219 --> 02:15:55,519 universe and there are extraordinarily 3194 02:15:59,409 --> 02:15:57,229 and and I relate them in the book 3195 02:16:01,209 --> 02:15:59,419 extraordinary tales by the likes of 3196 02:16:04,509 --> 02:16:01,219 Chandra Wickramasinghe who's a professor 3197 02:16:06,489 --> 02:16:04,519 of Astro biology and at the University 3198 02:16:08,559 --> 02:16:06,499 of Cardiff and who's basically been 3199 02:16:11,379 --> 02:16:08,569 saying that scientific journals since 3200 02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:11,389 1982 are involved in a conspiracy of 3201 02:16:16,689 --> 02:16:13,129 silence that they do not want to publish 3202 02:16:19,569 --> 02:16:16,699 anything which shows if not proofs that 3203 02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:19,579 life does not originate on planet earth 3204 02:16:24,339 --> 02:16:21,530 but originates out there in the universe 3205 02:16:27,099 --> 02:16:24,349 NASA is a victim of this which is why 3206 02:16:28,599 --> 02:16:27,109 NASA basically is now doing science by 3207 02:16:30,189 --> 02:16:28,609 press release they are holding press 3208 02:16:31,929 --> 02:16:30,199 conferences where they make these 3209 02:16:34,029 --> 02:16:31,939 announcements because they know that 3210 02:16:36,939 --> 02:16:34,039 they will not get published as 3211 02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:36,949 extraordinary as that sounds there are 3212 02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:40,719 scientists out there who are saying that 3213 02:16:47,319 --> 02:16:44,479 NASA is involved in a conspiracy whereby 3214 02:16:50,349 --> 02:16:47,329 they are intent on making everybody 3215 02:16:52,599 --> 02:16:50,359 believe that there is alien life and 3216 02:16:55,559 --> 02:16:52,609 these skeptics are saying that there is 3217 02:16:57,910 --> 02:16:55,569 no evidence whatsoever that life 3218 02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:57,920 originates outside of this planet and 3219 02:17:01,290 --> 02:16:59,840 guess where they are referring to to the 3220 02:17:03,189 --> 02:17:01,300 fact that none of these NASA 3221 02:17:05,169 --> 02:17:03,199 astrobiologists are being published in 3222 02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:05,179 peer-reviewed journals well you know 3223 02:17:08,500 --> 02:17:06,170 there is a reason for 3224 02:17:12,129 --> 02:17:08,510 it is because these journals are not 3225 02:17:14,140 --> 02:17:12,139 even putting out for review the material 3226 02:17:15,730 --> 02:17:14,150 which these scientists are putting 3227 02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:15,740 forward that raises another question 3228 02:17:21,879 --> 02:17:18,559 here which is Philip Kaufman's opinion 3229 02:17:24,969 --> 02:17:21,889 do you think et even if they were there 3230 02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:24,979 or here then are here now in the form of 3231 02:17:33,940 --> 02:17:32,110 well Jean I think he's brought up a 3232 02:17:35,530 --> 02:17:33,950 really good point that I've been trying 3233 02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:35,540 to make to people for years when they 3234 02:17:39,490 --> 02:17:38,240 say you believe in aliens I say we'll 3235 02:17:42,969 --> 02:17:39,500 wait a minute how do you know we're not 3236 02:17:47,560 --> 02:17:42,979 the aliens so maybe maybe I'm right you 3237 02:17:50,140 --> 02:17:47,570 know I think UFOs by default a UFO is 3238 02:17:52,900 --> 02:17:50,150 isn't another define flying object 3239 02:17:55,870 --> 02:17:52,910 do I believe Roswell was a crash of ET 3240 02:17:58,570 --> 02:17:55,880 no do I believe that some of these 3241 02:18:00,969 --> 02:17:58,580 things which are being reported like UFO 3242 02:18:02,919 --> 02:18:00,979 abductions are real yes do I think they 3243 02:18:05,140 --> 02:18:02,929 are physically real not necessarily I 3244 02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:05,150 think they show extraordinary parallels 3245 02:18:11,860 --> 02:18:08,330 to you know accounts of abductions by 3246 02:18:13,870 --> 02:18:11,870 fairies abductions by other creatures so 3247 02:18:15,490 --> 02:18:13,880 do I think something is going on here 3248 02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:15,500 yes do I think that some of these 3249 02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:17,330 objects which are being photographed are 3250 02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,210 real yes does it mean that it is 3251 02:18:26,140 --> 02:18:22,639 intriguing absolutely should be this 3252 02:18:28,419 --> 02:18:26,150 should we analyze it further absolutely 3253 02:18:32,620 --> 02:18:28,429 can we jump to the conclusion that it is 3254 02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:32,630 ET at this moment in time no yeah you're 3255 02:18:37,870 --> 02:18:35,570 my kind of guy Philip okay so basically 3256 02:18:40,959 --> 02:18:37,880 he's really just buttering us up that's 3257 02:18:42,969 --> 02:18:40,969 all he's doing a great job do we have 3258 02:18:44,919 --> 02:18:42,979 any more questions well yeah I mean 3259 02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:44,929 there's always questions I'm a walking 3260 02:18:51,370 --> 02:18:47,210 question bang I'm thinking on the forms 3261 02:18:53,650 --> 02:18:51,380 I think no we just we time to pose those 3262 02:18:57,520 --> 02:18:53,660 questions now considering other issues 3263 02:18:59,259 --> 02:18:57,530 here okay so we have UFOs we have the 3264 02:19:01,780 --> 02:18:59,269 possibilities of abductions which could 3265 02:19:04,270 --> 02:19:01,790 have other purposes but now we go back 3266 02:19:05,919 --> 02:19:04,280 to the possibility of the ancient 3267 02:19:08,620 --> 02:19:05,929 astronaut so let's go to the physical 3268 02:19:11,860 --> 02:19:08,630 reality here do you think at all that 3269 02:19:15,549 --> 02:19:11,870 these indications of advanced technology 3270 02:19:19,639 --> 02:19:15,559 did come from ET and that what about the 3271 02:19:22,909 --> 02:19:19,649 biblical influence Ezekiel's wheels etc 3272 02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:22,919 did they see et in those days and just 3273 02:19:27,769 --> 02:19:24,719 interpret them in the coordinates with 3274 02:19:29,540 --> 02:19:27,779 their level of civilization well they 3275 02:19:31,219 --> 02:19:29,550 definitely recorded something and the 3276 02:19:33,169 --> 02:19:31,229 the story of the sequel is an 3277 02:19:37,189 --> 02:19:33,179 interesting one and I touch upon it in 3278 02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:37,199 the book and it's because of you know 3279 02:19:41,659 --> 02:19:38,489 like Eric used it 3280 02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:41,669 Eric scoured the Bible for for potential 3281 02:19:46,219 --> 02:19:44,130 evidence and again you know the Bible is 3282 02:19:48,259 --> 02:19:46,229 a story of the Jewish people as they go 3283 02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:48,269 about doing their business and and 3284 02:19:52,460 --> 02:19:50,850 largely it is Jewish people who are 3285 02:19:54,859 --> 02:19:52,470 pointing out that in their opinion 3286 02:19:56,569 --> 02:19:54,869 reality is far more complex than an 3287 02:19:58,159 --> 02:19:56,579 awful lot of people belief and so 3288 02:19:59,929 --> 02:19:58,169 whenever something anomalous happens to 3289 02:20:02,359 --> 02:19:59,939 one of them they're writing this down 3290 02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:02,369 and the story is equal is is is one such 3291 02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:03,930 thing it's the story about a about a 3292 02:20:09,769 --> 02:20:06,090 Jewish priest who's an exile in 3293 02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:09,779 Babylonia and who basically as we would 3294 02:20:14,899 --> 02:20:12,810 call it today is abducted by a UFO he's 3295 02:20:18,019 --> 02:20:14,909 taken to weird places he sees strange 3296 02:20:21,649 --> 02:20:18,029 things now from Daniken was saying it 3297 02:20:23,599 --> 02:20:21,659 was he abducted by ET and when Joseph 3298 02:20:26,449 --> 02:20:23,609 Blume Eric who's a NASA engineer reads 3299 02:20:28,189 --> 02:20:26,459 this he says oh I'm a NASA engineer I'm 3300 02:20:29,569 --> 02:20:28,199 going to quickly debunk this because I 3301 02:20:32,420 --> 02:20:29,579 just know that this is simply impossible 3302 02:20:34,130 --> 02:20:32,430 and a few years later he publishes a 3303 02:20:37,519 --> 02:20:34,140 book called the spaceship of Ezekiel 3304 02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:37,529 which basically says actually Ezekiel is 3305 02:20:41,929 --> 02:20:39,359 giving in his description enormous 3306 02:20:45,139 --> 02:20:41,939 amount of technical detail which I have 3307 02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:45,149 used to make drawings and scale models 3308 02:20:52,130 --> 02:20:48,090 of the object which Ezekiel has seen in 3309 02:20:53,809 --> 02:20:52,140 which took him away the story of Jonah 3310 02:20:57,620 --> 02:20:53,819 and the Whale well you know the whale 3311 02:21:01,069 --> 02:20:57,630 had somehow got openings in his skin 3312 02:21:02,779 --> 02:21:01,079 through which Yana could see and he 3313 02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:02,789 could see what was underneath the water 3314 02:21:08,059 --> 02:21:05,369 and he could walk around inside the 3315 02:21:11,300 --> 02:21:08,069 whale it's it's you know I've what I'm 3316 02:21:14,449 --> 02:21:11,310 saying is like this thing when the 3317 02:21:17,960 --> 02:21:14,459 atomic bomb exploded we described it as 3318 02:21:20,179 --> 02:21:17,970 a giant mushroom now we know the atomic 3319 02:21:22,340 --> 02:21:20,189 bomb explosion was not the explosion of 3320 02:21:25,399 --> 02:21:22,350 some giant mushroom we were describing 3321 02:21:28,010 --> 02:21:25,409 it as a giant mushroom and so the story 3322 02:21:30,050 --> 02:21:28,020 of Jonah and the Whale is very much the 3323 02:21:32,719 --> 02:21:30,060 story of Jonah who says I was in 3324 02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:32,729 something which I know wasn't a whale 3325 02:21:35,150 --> 02:21:33,570 because I was walking 3326 02:21:38,270 --> 02:21:35,160 around it there were windows I could see 3327 02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:38,280 I could breathe for things which she 3328 02:21:43,610 --> 02:21:42,000 can't do inside a whale but he was 3329 02:21:45,980 --> 02:21:43,620 describing the object because the 3330 02:21:48,020 --> 02:21:45,990 nearest thing which his audience would 3331 02:21:51,140 --> 02:21:48,030 understand was that it looked like a 3332 02:21:54,830 --> 02:21:51,150 whale and so time and time again the 3333 02:21:59,480 --> 02:21:54,840 Bible is just one example so it was one 3334 02:22:02,450 --> 02:21:59,490 whale of a spaceship or in the water 3335 02:22:06,770 --> 02:22:02,460 construction were one whale of a 3336 02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:06,780 submarine shades of the Nautilus shades 3337 02:22:13,011 --> 02:22:09,690 of Jules Verne you think about it are 3338 02:22:14,631 --> 02:22:13,021 you said my joke was corny well I don't 3339 02:22:16,490 --> 02:22:14,641 want to go into that because I will not 3340 02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,500 deliver any more corny jokes Philip 3341 02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:18,000 Coppins is wondering what the heck we're 3342 02:22:22,551 --> 02:22:20,610 talking about we're talking about lots 3343 02:22:31,540 --> 02:22:22,561 of stuff with Gene and Chris you're in 3344 02:22:36,050 --> 02:22:35,030 are you tired of searching for great 3345 02:22:39,290 --> 02:22:36,060 talk-radio 3346 02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:39,300 more important search the world we are 3347 02:22:44,840 --> 02:22:43,200 the GCM radio network you expect 3348 02:22:46,490 --> 02:22:44,850 professional service from your doctor 3349 02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:46,500 your accountant and even the girl who 3350 02:22:49,880 --> 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project with 3461 02:27:14,740 --> 02:27:12,770 people's who maybe had lifetimes half 3462 02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:14,750 what they are today I'm one of those 3463 02:27:19,240 --> 02:27:17,090 people who's very comfortable with 3464 02:27:19,960 --> 02:27:19,250 saying that the ancient Egyptians built 3465 02:27:23,770 --> 02:27:19,970 the pyramids 3466 02:27:27,099 --> 02:27:23,780 I'm also very happy with saying that 3467 02:27:29,650 --> 02:27:27,109 that humans build the pyramids within 3468 02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:29,660 you know the time spans which which 3469 02:27:35,410 --> 02:27:33,710 pretty much we believe I'm not saying 3470 02:27:38,020 --> 02:27:35,420 that I'm a hundred percent happy with 3471 02:27:40,780 --> 02:27:38,030 the timeline which Egyptologists are 3472 02:27:42,610 --> 02:27:40,790 giving carbon dating evidence suggests 3473 02:27:45,550 --> 02:27:42,620 that they are about five hundred years 3474 02:27:47,440 --> 02:27:45,560 out but you know that's the far cry off 3475 02:27:49,440 --> 02:27:47,450 from saying that they are tens and if 3476 02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:49,450 not hundreds of thousands of years old 3477 02:27:55,540 --> 02:27:52,399 the interesting thing when it comes to 3478 02:27:57,700 --> 02:27:55,550 the pyramids is this Joseph Davidovich 3479 02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:57,710 was an expert on the pyramids and he 3480 02:28:03,460 --> 02:27:59,359 identified the pyramids as having been 3481 02:28:06,130 --> 02:28:03,470 made with technology which we have only 3482 02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:06,140 rediscovered in the 1970s when he went 3483 02:28:14,110 --> 02:28:10,970 to the likes of acai how was and his 3484 02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:14,120 predecessors and pointed out that the 3485 02:28:18,940 --> 02:28:16,370 stone blocks of the pyramids were not 3486 02:28:21,219 --> 02:28:18,950 UHN and then dragged into place from the 3487 02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:21,229 nearby quarries but that instead they 3488 02:28:27,730 --> 02:28:25,130 were geopolymers people like saya hawa 3489 02:28:29,559 --> 02:28:27,740 said that he was an idiot and that the 3490 02:28:33,219 --> 02:28:29,569 stone that the pyramid was not made from 3491 02:28:36,490 --> 02:28:33,229 cement now a geo polymer is not cement 3492 02:28:39,610 --> 02:28:36,500 it geopolymer is basically natural rock 3493 02:28:41,410 --> 02:28:39,620 except it's not natural it's made in a 3494 02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:41,420 laboratory and it's very hard to 3495 02:28:47,320 --> 02:28:44,240 distinguish from natural rock basically 3496 02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:47,330 you can only tell by doing analysis of 3497 02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:50,210 of remnants of like you know like sea 3498 02:28:52,750 --> 02:28:52,250 shells which are splattered or about 3499 02:28:56,130 --> 02:28:52,760 which one 3500 02:29:00,429 --> 02:28:56,140 neatly lined up as they normally are in 3501 02:29:04,330 --> 02:29:00,439 natural stone and the village was 3502 02:29:07,389 --> 02:29:04,340 showing roughly 40 bits of evidence from 3503 02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,399 the Giza Plateau which to him was clear 3504 02:29:12,760 --> 02:29:09,439 evidence that we were dealing here with 3505 02:29:15,130 --> 02:29:12,770 geopolymers since then some of the 3506 02:29:18,519 --> 02:29:15,140 analysis of the discipline has been done 3507 02:29:20,440 --> 02:29:18,529 in laboratories and the conclusion is 3508 02:29:24,760 --> 02:29:20,450 that indeed they are geopolymers not 3509 02:29:26,650 --> 02:29:24,770 natural stone the way the Egyptologists 3510 02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:26,660 are keeping this father of a science 3511 02:29:30,070 --> 02:29:28,370 because that is what he is the villa 3512 02:29:31,570 --> 02:29:30,080 which is considered to be the father of 3513 02:29:33,670 --> 02:29:31,580 the science of geo polymerization 3514 02:29:36,040 --> 02:29:33,680 they're trying to keep him out by saying 3515 02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:36,050 he's an idiot now again this is bullying 3516 02:29:40,719 --> 02:29:38,319 tactics which they still get away with 3517 02:29:42,460 --> 02:29:40,729 but it is also clear that the likes of 3518 02:29:45,849 --> 02:29:42,470 Zahi Hawass have no understanding of 3519 02:29:47,650 --> 02:29:45,859 what's going on because a geo polymer is 3520 02:29:51,219 --> 02:29:47,660 not cement cement is cementery a polymer 3521 02:29:55,090 --> 02:29:51,229 is a geo polar and they don't understand 3522 02:29:57,519 --> 02:29:55,100 and this is a serious problem and the 3523 02:29:59,200 --> 02:29:57,529 village unfortunately is is currently 3524 02:30:01,870 --> 02:29:59,210 preoccupied with taking care of a sick 3525 02:30:04,690 --> 02:30:01,880 wife but there are other scientists out 3526 02:30:07,510 --> 02:30:04,700 there who are taking a piss course and 3527 02:30:12,130 --> 02:30:07,520 bringing it to the Egyptologists now 3528 02:30:14,740 --> 02:30:12,140 this is not evidence of ET building the 3529 02:30:19,269 --> 02:30:14,750 Great Pyramid what it is evidence of is 3530 02:30:22,540 --> 02:30:19,279 of extraordinary interesting 3531 02:30:24,190 --> 02:30:22,550 technological capabilities which the 3532 02:30:28,030 --> 02:30:24,200 ancient Egyptians had at their disposal 3533 02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:28,040 and which pretty much for 4,000 years 3534 02:30:33,610 --> 02:30:30,290 disappeared from Planet Earth and were 3535 02:30:37,840 --> 02:30:33,620 only rediscovered by by the village in 3536 02:30:40,750 --> 02:30:37,850 the the the mid-1970s now that is 3537 02:30:43,030 --> 02:30:40,760 something of interest now we know from 3538 02:30:45,250 --> 02:30:43,040 the ancient Egyptians who was considered 3539 02:30:47,769 --> 02:30:45,260 to be the father of you know geo 3540 02:30:51,630 --> 02:30:47,779 polymerization as we would call it now 3541 02:30:55,540 --> 02:30:51,640 that was Imhotep High Priest of atom at 3542 02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:55,550 Heliopolis working for King Djoser he 3543 02:30:58,990 --> 02:30:57,050 better understand ladies and gentlemen 3544 02:31:02,080 --> 02:30:59,000 when we say him hotep he's not the 3545 02:31:04,590 --> 02:31:02,090 character in the mummy movies it's the 3546 02:31:08,099 --> 02:31:04,600 real look it's the other one 3547 02:31:11,219 --> 02:31:08,109 and basically he was the guy who you 3548 02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:11,229 know received this information because 3549 02:31:14,460 --> 02:31:12,489 even though like in the question is 3550 02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,470 where was he such a genius that that he 3551 02:31:19,830 --> 02:31:16,720 somehow figured this out well yes he was 3552 02:31:23,399 --> 02:31:19,840 a genius but he figured this not out on 3553 02:31:25,859 --> 02:31:23,409 himself he and everybody afterwards was 3554 02:31:27,570 --> 02:31:25,869 quite clear that there was a divine 3555 02:31:30,030 --> 02:31:27,580 connection with this that he got this 3556 02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:30,040 from non-human intelligence and in the 3557 02:31:35,609 --> 02:31:33,369 book I make the comparison that this is 3558 02:31:37,500 --> 02:31:35,619 still going on and and the the best and 3559 02:31:38,460 --> 02:31:37,510 shortest example is probably that of 3560 02:31:41,519 --> 02:31:38,470 Terence Mckenna 3561 02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:41,529 when he was using his ayahuasca he said 3562 02:31:45,899 --> 02:31:42,640 he made contact with a nonhuman 3563 02:31:49,500 --> 02:31:45,909 intelligence and they gave him time wave 3564 02:31:52,139 --> 02:31:49,510 zero which these beings said is the 3565 02:31:53,849 --> 02:31:52,149 nature of time they said that time as we 3566 02:31:56,099 --> 02:31:53,859 understood it was not a byproduct of 3567 02:31:58,800 --> 02:31:56,109 some laws of physics but was a fractal 3568 02:32:00,269 --> 02:31:58,810 wave okay so you're saying here long and 3569 02:32:02,099 --> 02:32:00,279 short of it because we don't have a lot 3570 02:32:05,399 --> 02:32:02,109 of time left the longest short of it is 3571 02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:05,409 taking this drug somehow gives you a 3572 02:32:09,479 --> 02:32:07,449 direct route to communicate with these 3573 02:32:11,939 --> 02:32:09,489 intelligences it's not just an illusion 3574 02:32:14,070 --> 02:32:11,949 or hallucination that is precisely when 3575 02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:14,080 it comes to ayahuasca what not just 3576 02:32:17,700 --> 02:32:15,850 Terence Mckenna but various other people 3577 02:32:20,460 --> 02:32:17,710 are saying it's not a hallucinogenic 3578 02:32:23,099 --> 02:32:20,470 drug as such what this drug does is 3579 02:32:25,290 --> 02:32:23,109 actually it stops something which our 3580 02:32:27,889 --> 02:32:25,300 brain secretes constantly and it 3581 02:32:31,410 --> 02:32:27,899 interferes with this so that our brain 3582 02:32:33,570 --> 02:32:31,420 basically is rid of this substance and 3583 02:32:36,769 --> 02:32:33,580 when our brain is rid of this substance 3584 02:32:39,059 --> 02:32:36,779 our brain begins to see basically 3585 02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:39,069 another dimension and all the reality 3586 02:32:42,929 --> 02:32:40,720 and the interesting thing is if it 3587 02:32:45,090 --> 02:32:42,939 wasn't for this drug our brain would 3588 02:32:47,719 --> 02:32:45,100 constantly be literally outside of its 3589 02:32:51,330 --> 02:32:47,729 brain outside of its mind there is 3590 02:32:54,300 --> 02:32:51,340 biological things in our in our brains 3591 02:32:56,250 --> 02:32:54,310 or in our bodies rather which stops our 3592 02:32:58,679 --> 02:32:56,260 brains from tricking tripping constantly 3593 02:33:01,229 --> 02:32:58,689 and I think maybe here that maybe some 3594 02:33:03,990 --> 02:33:01,239 outside intelligence set things up this 3595 02:33:05,519 --> 02:33:04,000 way with our genetic structures so we 3596 02:33:09,479 --> 02:33:05,529 wouldn't be overwhelmed with these 3597 02:33:11,370 --> 02:33:09,489 images well it's a possibility it's it's 3598 02:33:14,219 --> 02:33:11,380 actually something which I hope to 3599 02:33:17,340 --> 02:33:14,229 explore two books down the line let's go 3600 02:33:18,410 --> 02:33:17,350 dance with the Machine elves hey now 3601 02:33:20,630 --> 02:33:18,420 that's a good question 3602 02:33:22,130 --> 02:33:20,640 bring it up to the conclusion Philip 3603 02:33:23,810 --> 02:33:22,140 where do you go from here with your 3604 02:33:26,450 --> 02:33:23,820 research you got another book coming out 3605 02:33:29,210 --> 02:33:26,460 were you going to take this well 3606 02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:29,220 basically I'm hoping that this is going 3607 02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:30,930 to be the start of a series of question 3608 02:33:35,210 --> 02:33:33,120 books the next one will be the lost 3609 02:33:36,740 --> 02:33:35,220 civilization question and normally the 3610 02:33:42,850 --> 02:33:36,750 one afterwards will be the afterlife 3611 02:33:44,690 --> 02:33:42,860 question basically they are all of them 3612 02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:44,700 beginning with the ancient alien 3613 02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:47,760 question books which basically map where 3614 02:33:53,690 --> 02:33:51,120 we are on certain subjects what is what 3615 02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:53,700 has validity what can we safely toss 3616 02:33:58,610 --> 02:33:55,530 aside where should we be focusing on 3617 02:34:00,890 --> 02:33:58,620 what should we be trying to do and to a 3618 02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:00,900 large extent unfortunately you know I 3619 02:34:04,400 --> 02:34:03,210 will have to repeat myself and one of 3620 02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:04,410 the repeating themes will be that 3621 02:34:09,800 --> 02:34:06,570 science is simply an interested and 3622 02:34:11,780 --> 02:34:09,810 unwilling to do these things but science 3623 02:34:14,530 --> 02:34:11,790 science science can't even define 3624 02:34:17,810 --> 02:34:14,540 consciousness in a way that is fully 3625 02:34:20,420 --> 02:34:17,820 fully real and acceptable even shows 3626 02:34:23,000 --> 02:34:20,430 that they are conscious absolutely and 3627 02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,010 so you know what I'm trying to do is is 3628 02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:25,680 make these big questions hopefully 3629 02:34:31,460 --> 02:34:28,890 accessible to the larger audience out 3630 02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:31,470 there and I hope I am doing that with 3631 02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:32,970 the ancient alien question and I hope 3632 02:34:37,460 --> 02:34:34,650 I'm going to continue doing that with my 3633 02:34:39,170 --> 02:34:37,470 next books so if our listeners want to 3634 02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:39,180 learn more of the things that you do 3635 02:34:43,010 --> 02:34:40,170 where do they go 3636 02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:43,020 well they can go to my own book so to my 3637 02:34:49,700 --> 02:34:45,450 website which is phillip kopus of combat 3638 02:34:52,460 --> 02:34:49,710 is ph IL IP c audible PG and s they can 3639 02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:52,470 type my name in on twitter and they will 3640 02:34:56,300 --> 02:34:54,330 come to me they can type in my name too 3641 02:34:58,850 --> 02:34:56,310 into facebook and they will come to me 3642 02:35:00,860 --> 02:34:58,860 they can go to amazon and basically do a 3643 02:35:04,610 --> 02:35:00,870 name search on me and they will find all 3644 02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:04,620 of my books there they can go to Barnes 3645 02:35:08,330 --> 02:35:06,720 & Noble and they will find the ancient 3646 02:35:10,400 --> 02:35:08,340 alien question hopefully prominently 3647 02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:10,410 displayed there if you can't find it 3648 02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:11,610 that actually means it's going to be 3649 02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:14,160 sold out but it is part of that's pretty 3650 02:35:18,110 --> 02:35:15,600 good your hope it's gonna be sold out 3651 02:35:21,469 --> 02:35:18,120 but then yeah and you're saying that all 3652 02:35:23,420 --> 02:35:21,479 roads lead to fill of karpin's basically 3653 02:35:24,770 --> 02:35:23,430 that's it and again in Barnes & Noble 3654 02:35:26,540 --> 02:35:24,780 there's a special promotion on the book 3655 02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:26,550 I which I believe actually does involve 3656 02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:28,290 a discount obviously Amazon does its 3657 02:35:31,850 --> 02:35:30,030 normal discount but I believe there's a 3658 02:35:33,480 --> 02:35:31,860 special discount on that bouncer Noble 3659 02:35:38,450 --> 02:35:33,490 is 3660 02:35:41,820 --> 02:35:38,460 up until about half November and then at 3661 02:35:44,190 --> 02:35:41,830 this I think the 13th of December up 3662 02:35:46,170 --> 02:35:44,200 until the 26th of December there's 3663 02:35:48,300 --> 02:35:46,180 another special promotion on at Barnes & 3664 02:35:50,190 --> 02:35:48,310 Noble on the book but at this moment in 3665 02:35:51,630 --> 02:35:50,200 time I do not know whether it involves a 3666 02:35:52,980 --> 02:35:51,640 discount I just know it's part of a 3667 02:35:54,810 --> 02:35:52,990 special promotion sounds great to me 3668 02:35:55,440 --> 02:35:54,820 Chris O'Brien where do we find more of 3669 02:35:59,010 --> 02:35:55,450 your stuff 3670 02:36:01,290 --> 02:35:59,020 well moderator at forum dr. Peric ascom 3671 02:36:05,070 --> 02:36:01,300 I am in the midst of revamping my our 3672 02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:05,080 strange planet.com website and of course 3673 02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:09,010 you can hear me tell corny jokes and not 3674 02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:11,050 talk about the trickster every Sunday 3675 02:36:15,719 --> 02:36:14,110 and by the way ladies and gentlemen we 3676 02:36:18,900 --> 02:36:15,729 can be found on Twitter I never 3677 02:36:22,110 --> 02:36:18,910 mentioned this we are the power cast 3678 02:36:25,500 --> 02:36:22,120 look for the power cast on Twitter and 3679 02:36:27,150 --> 02:36:25,510 you will find us special thank you from 3680 02:36:28,650 --> 02:36:27,160 Jean and Chris to Phillip Coppins 3681 02:36:31,350 --> 02:36:28,660 Phillip thanks for joining us this week 3682 02:36:32,929 --> 02:36:31,360 on the power cat thank you very much and 3683 02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:32,939 if there's one suggestion I would make 3684 02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:36,010 you're following guests please have them 3685 02:36:40,740 --> 02:36:38,560 vote on the corniest joke which the two 3686 02:36:44,550 --> 02:36:40,750 of you come up with and it'll be very 3687 02:37:00,719 --> 02:36:44,560 fun the photograph that's that's a good 3688 02:37:07,150 --> 02:37:04,240 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3689 02:37:10,210 --> 02:37:07,160 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3690 02:37:14,050 --> 02:37:10,220 presentation of making the impossible in